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You couldn't make this up - Julie Bindle no platformed at @truth2powercafe

182 replies

Verify2Terrify · 24/10/2018 13:22

Event on free speech.

See twitter feed here

Wonder what his email explanation will say? Hmm

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Babycham1979 · 24/10/2018 13:26

Yep, very ironic for a woman who's spent her career trying to silence others with differing points of view!

TheCountessofFitzdotterel · 24/10/2018 13:27

Well I hope Julie shares with everyone what the mysterious thing is that happened.

MsMcWoodle · 24/10/2018 13:28

Babycham - what are you referring to?

Verify2Terrify · 24/10/2018 13:31

Think you are somewhat confused babycham. Hmm

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BlooperReel · 24/10/2018 13:32

What a garbled response from Jeremy, keen to hear what this mysterious thing that has happened, that Jeremy was scared to raise with Julie, was.

taking bets on a TRA pile on

LangCleg · 24/10/2018 13:49

He comes across as such a plonker there.

Just tell her why you deplatformed her, man, or don't deplatform her.

Courage of your convictions and all that, you knob.

deepwatersolo · 24/10/2018 13:56

Jesus Christ what a whining cowardly whimp is this Jeremy Goldstein?

Sarahconnor1 · 24/10/2018 14:13

This is what truth to power is about according to the website (not my caps lock)
PARTICIPANTS OF ALL AGES, BELIEFS AND BACKGROUNDS, CAN TAKE PART IN THE EVENT BY RESPONDING TO THE QUESTION 'WHO HAS POWER OVER YOU AND WHAT DO YOU WANT TO SAY TO THEM?' BEFORE A LIVE AUDIENCE.

You really couldn't make this shit up. I'm am really looking forward to the explanation though.

TheCountessofFitzdotterel · 24/10/2018 14:17

And what I would like to say to him is:
Go ahead and de-platform Julie then, but you will have to give up all those lovely yummy free speech cookies you have been eating.

deepwatersolo · 24/10/2018 14:18

Would Julie Bindel be allowed to convey the content of any email by Jeremy to the public if Jeremy, the great defender of free speech, vetoes it?

R0wantrees · 24/10/2018 14:19

24/10/18 'Unherd' article by Julie Bindel: 'Why woke keyboard warriors should respect their elders
The new wave feminists accusing older women of being 'past it' are hypocritical misogynists'
(extract)

The heated debate on the Gender Recognition Act has highlighted the oft-stark division between generations of feminists. Many of the younger women, especially those in universities, appear to have adopted the line that second wave feminists such as myself, who focus on violence against women and an end to sexist stereotyping, are old-hat. It seems a particular group of very young, privileged, ‘intersectional’ women are prepared to throw away the gains us older feminists achieved.

A Twitter spat last week between myself and Ash Sarkar – a 26-year-old ‘super-woke’ commentator – put this gulf in sharp relief. Sarkar, who had five minutes of fame when she shouted at Piers Morgan on live TV, “I am literally a communist, you idiot”, had tweeted about the proposed changes to the GRA, claiming that the introduction of “self-identification” would not have any effect whatsoever on the rights of others.
I replied: “Unless you are a female in prison of course, one of the most disenfranchised groups on the planet”. It was a reference to the hideous case of Karen White, the transgender sex offender who was placed in a female prison and went on to sexually assault two female inmates.

Sarkar’s response, befitting of the new wave feminists who have learned their politics via social media, was to tweet an image of a Twitter search that had yielded no results. “What a surprise”, she tweeted, “These anti-trans bigots don’t actually care about women in prison, unless it serves their agenda to exclude trans people from public life.”

Sarkar, a senior editor at media platform Novaramedia, did not even attempt a Google search, or a quick glance at my Wikipedia page to double check whether or not I actually might indeed ‘care’ about incarcerated women. If she had, she would have learned that I am the founder of Justice for Women – a campaign I began in 1990, two years before Sarkar was born – and have helped countless abused women get out of prison. These young keyboard warriors who do their so-called ‘activism’ online might want to recognise the material change, and numerous benefits, that us older feminists fought for and won.

The ageism of some of these new feminists is outrageous. Take Paris Lees, who has taken aim at feminists over the age of 30. Lees, who is transgender, has written that feminists who dare to criticise extreme transgender ideology are: “A bunch of boring, middle-class, middle-aged people arguing about who is ‘right’”. In an interview for i-D magazine, Lees describes us feminists who do not believe men can become women as “miserable has-beens or never-weres.” (continues)

It is unbelievably offensive and hypocritical of women who call themselves ‘feminist’ to accuse older women of being ‘past it’ – from witch-burning to Hollywood casting, isn’t this slur something that feminists have long been united in fighting against? How do they do not see that this is blatant misogyny? Perhaps because it is extreme identity politics, not the liberation of all women, that these super-woke digital agitators are fighting for."

unherd.com/2018/10/woke-keyboard-warriors-respect-elders/

deepwatersolo · 24/10/2018 14:23

These 'new wave feminists' are so keen on self-ID, because they also want to self-ID into all kind of stuff, irrespective of material reality, including self-IDing ito being a feminist, no matter what they do to undermine women.

FloralBunting · 24/10/2018 14:23

I feel that anything I say now you might use against me but yes it is. It was only through making the show, that I began to find my voice. It’s been a cathartic experience and every day I’m learning something new.

  1. Does he think Julie is the police putting him under arrest?
  2. Does he think Julie is his psychiatrist?
  3. What a craven, stupid, vacuous prat.
R0wantrees · 24/10/2018 14:49

twitter.com/truth2powercafe/status/1042311711380922368

The accompanying video uses Kate Bush's. 'This Woman's Work' as soundtrack.
(extract)
"I know you've got a little life in you yet
I know you've got a lot of strength left
I know you've got a little life in you yet
I know you've got a lot of strength left
I should be crying, but I just can't let it show
I should be hoping, but I can't stop thinking
Of all the things I should've said
That I never said
All the things we should've done
Though we never did
All the things I should've given
But I didn't
Oh, darling, make it go
Make it go away" (continues)

So does Posie Parker's
www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=2&v=L52dlDt4pFg

You couldn't make this up - Julie Bindle no platformed at @truth2powercafe
R0wantrees · 24/10/2018 15:43

"Index withdraws from Truth to Power events
24 Oct 2018BY INDEX ON CENSORSHIP
Earlier today, Index on Censorship became aware that the organiser of an event, of which we are a media partner, disinvited Julie Bindel as a speaker after other participants accused her of inciting hatred towards transgender people and complained about her involvement.
We recognise that the event organiser Jeremy Goldstein has apologised for his mistake and offered to reinstate Bindel on the panel and she has refused.

Index believes that all speech – eccentric, contentious, heretical, unwelcome, provocative, bigoted – should be protected unless it directly incites violence.

Index on Censorship will no longer support this event."

www.indexoncensorship.org/2018/10/index-withdraws-from-truth-to-power-events/

Janie143 · 24/10/2018 15:51

Shame Posie's billboard removers don't sabre the same view as Index on Censorship Also their logical reasoning is a valuable examples of critical thinking skills

Janie143 · 24/10/2018 15:52

Saber = share

LangCleg · 24/10/2018 16:08

Trevor Phillips is the chair of trustees of Index on Censorship. Jus' sayin'.

Halfeatentoast · 24/10/2018 16:09

Silly Jeremy just coz 2.5million have viewed it don't meant they like it or that it's any good.

Floisme · 24/10/2018 16:13

I’m sorry to lower the tone but that screenshot R0wan posted made me laugh out loud:

I'm proud to crown artist/activist
reecelyons whose poem 'I am a Woman, and I have a penis' has been seen by 2.5 million people.

I can just picture Rowan Atkinson performing it.

R0wantrees · 24/10/2018 16:20

Trevor Phillips is the chair of trustees of Index on Censorship. Jus' sayin'.

Times article by Trevor Phillips & thread:

october 22 2018,
'Trans extremists are putting equality at risk

Allowing people to declare their own gender would make a mockery of Britain’s decades-long struggle for fairness'

(extract)
However, agitation by a guilt-tripping band of “trans” activists has corralled MPs into contemplating a wholly unnecessary and dangerous further step. It is seriously being suggested that we should do away with any objective test of gender, and leave the decision as to whether an individual should be treated as male or female entirely in the hands of the person themselves. In short, a man would be able to declare himself a woman, and immediately have every right to enter spaces reserved for women — changing rooms, lavatories, prisons.

The feminist objection to “self-declaration” has already been made on these pages, not least by Janice Turner, who has been subject to shrieking abuse by some bullies from the trans lobby. Many of these people were born — and still are — male, by most people’s standards. The fact that in at least one case women in prisons have been sexually assaulted by a “woman” who happened to possess a penis would give most of us pause for thought. Yet the otherwise sensible MPs on the women and equalities select committee have backed self-declaration and startlingly, David Isaac, my admirable successor as chairman of the Equalities and Human Rights Commission, has announced that he favours “de-medicalisation” — a way of allowing men to become women without the inconvenient step of ceasing to be male.

I can only imagine that many of those supporting this insanity believe that they are displaying empathy for a group of individuals who have suffered genuine anguish. But this is certainly not what I had in mind when, along with the other authors of the 2010 Equality Act, we fought to include transgender as a protected characteristic in anti-discrimination law. The truth is that, far from encouraging empathy, extreme trans activists and their allies are adding a new layer of cruelty by raising false hopes that changing gender could become as easy as changing a name." (continues)

concludes: "The self-declaration principle, masquerading as compassionate recognition, risks making a mockery of the struggle for equality. If ministers give in to trans zealots, a white man would merely need to say “Today, I’m a black woman. I might not be tomorrow but, hey, who cares?” Well, I do. And so should everyone who genuinely believes in fairness.

Trevor Phillips was chairman of the Equalities and Human Rights Commission 2006-12"

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3401790-trevor-phillips-in-the-times

Almondcandle · 24/10/2018 16:32

The gallery for this organisation is a text book on narcissism.

www.truthtopower.co.uk/gallery/

I try not to be bothered or upset by this stuff anymore, but who uses a 1930s community union style banner of themselves posed like a prophet with angel wings?! WTF? Is he the literal poster child of the move from class solidarity to the individualist me,me,me?

TwistedStitch · 24/10/2018 16:58

Jeez it's like every day TRAs manage to find more and more ways to show just how ridiculous they are. No platforming at an event about free speech fgs. Good on Index on Censorship.

TheCountessofFitzdotterel · 24/10/2018 17:01

You never know, Index might even manage not to cave if the TRAs turn their sights on them next Smile

ShotsFired · 24/10/2018 17:08

Index seem to be saying JB's speech/voice falls under one of these categories though: "eccentric, contentious, heretical, unwelcome, provocative, bigoted"?

Full quote:
"Index believes that all speech – eccentric, contentious, heretical, unwelcome, provocative, bigoted – should be protected unless it directly incites violence."

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