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You couldn't make this up - Julie Bindle no platformed at @truth2powercafe

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Verify2Terrify · 24/10/2018 13:22

Event on free speech.

See twitter feed here

Wonder what his email explanation will say? Hmm

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Bowlofbabelfish · 26/10/2018 12:15

How very peculiar. I can’t find the image with the flag with the Russian text one any more... can anyone find it?

R0wantrees · 26/10/2018 12:26

Bowl Is it a different image to the one I shared?

R0wantrees · 26/10/2018 12:35

From Julie Bindel's twitter thread, apparently its Ukranian anarchist flag.

"The flag of Makhnovia, an attempted anarchist state in Southeastern Ukraine during the Russian civil war. The text in Ukrainian reads "Death to all who stand in the way of the working people"

twitter.com/bindelj/status/1054789248942071809

Bowlofbabelfish · 26/10/2018 12:48

You’re a walking encyclopaedia :)

Its like an episode of the Young Ones... Hmm.

Amused at the irony though - does a pattern account count as working I wonder...?

Talking of Jess Bradley - what’s happening with the NUS investigation?

AspieAndProud · 26/10/2018 13:02

Can he really have publicly admitted to knowing about and not reporting paedophillia?

Wasn’t that what ended Milo Yiannopoulos 15 minutes of fame? Admitting he attended a party where someone had sex with a 15 year old and didn’t report it.

R0wantrees · 26/10/2018 13:06

Not at all Bowl, I just like to find the answers where possible, twas aways thus! Smile

No news from the NUS about Jess Bradley's suspension as Trans Officer following allegations of flashing etc. its way past the NUS timescale for disciplinary decisions etc.

Rose of Dawn has been tenacious in her determination to keep on at the NUS.

There have been some updates to the still running thread:

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3325623-Jess-Bradley-a-government-advisor-on-womens-rights-suspended-by-NUS-over-indecent-blog-Part-iii

AspieAndProud · 26/10/2018 13:21

*FloralBunting

Well, yes, that's the big takeaway for me. 'Speaking truth to power' sounds splendid while you're visualizing yourself as a brave neo-warrior in arty pose.*

The problem with ‘speaking truth to power’ is it gives a get-out clause for groups that are seen as ‘oppressed’.

They’re not in power so why speak truthfully to them?

This happened with the refusal to call out paedophilia among a minority of homosexuals and it’s happened in places like Rotherham where authorities turned a blind eye to the abuse of young girls.

There’s no virtue in being oppressed. It doesn’t cancel out the choices you make.

R0wantrees · 26/10/2018 14:44

Julie Bindel's Twitter comment: "This was the 200-strong demo outside the Stonewall awards, 2008, in protest of me being up for journalist of the year" link to video below
twitter.com/bindelj/status/1055810006426312704

Youtube channel: Sarah Brown (now Stonewall advisory group & influential LibDem)
Published on 7 Nov 2008

'Demonstration against Stonewall's nomination of transphobic journalist, Julie Bindel for "Journalist of the Year"'

Popchyk · 26/10/2018 19:23

Seen this? I have put the whole post here because it looks like it has been taken down since I started looking at it.

Facebook link

PUBLIC STATEMENT BY JEREMY GOLDSTEIN
CREATOR/HOST: TRUTH TO POWER CAFE
FOUNDER/DIRECTOR: LONDON ARTISTS PROJECTS
‘Truth to Power Café’ is inspired by the political and philosophical beliefs of Harold Pinter and his Hackney Gang. The Hackney Gang included my late father Mick Goldstein and Henry Woolf. I am the son of the Hackney Gang.
This week I’ve been caught in a twitter storm over issues to do with free speech, an invite I rescinded to Julie Bindel, and a public apology I made to her in a statement issued by media partner Index on Censorship who have since withdrawn from the event. Today Roundhouse have cancelled the show siting safety issues. I have asked Roundhouse to provide evidence, and to report the perpetrators to the police. I do believe it was the correct decision but I would have preferred them to postpone the show and they refused.
The situation arose from an invite I extended to Julie Bindel to take part in ‘Truth to Power Café’. I did so after an excellent article I read of hers on Ted Talks in the Guardian. At the time I had no idea her transphobic views incite hatred and violence towards the trans community. I should have done my homework. It’s a hard lesson to learn. I deeply regret the association her name has brought to me, my work and to my colleagues. I would like it to be known that I find her views abhorrent. I would also like it to be known that I categorically reject any form of transphobia or discrimination even if it is in the name of free speech. This year we have worked in four countries and with over one hundred participants, some of whom are trans and allies of the trans community. We continue to welcome you with open arms.
For those who want to read on I’d like to outline my version of events.
This week two participants kindly, generously and without prejudice brought to my attention their concerns over the inclusion of Bindel on the line-up at Roundhouse. I knew nothing of this until I received their email. After doing my own research I decided to disinvite her in the belief that her views incite hatred and violence towards the trans community. I was then contacted by Index on Censorship who expressed their concern in the name of free speech at her being disinvited. Index on Censorship themselves say they draw the line at free speech which incites hatred and violence.
On Wednesday morning Bindel went public accusing me of no-platforming in an event purporting to promote free speech. In trying to limit the damage I became fearful and naively attempted to broker an understanding with Bindel in private, but everything I said was used against me in the very public forum of twitter, undermining me in the process. It was under pressure and in the name of free speech, I offered to apologise. A decision I now retract.
The public apology arose when Index on Censorship presented it to me in the form of a public statement, the first draft of which included a paragraph condemning me for my actions. Thankfully the offending paragraph was removed, but during the course of this conversation, I felt real pressure to include the apology in the statement.
Even though the event has now been cancelled, I would like to offer my sincerest and most humble apology to the trans community and to participants who felt the need to withdraw from the events following my public apology to Bindel. I’m deeply saddened they felt the need to distance yourselves from the event. I am sorry for the stress and aggravation the episode has caused them. It was absolutely not intentional.

Popchyk · 26/10/2018 19:24

and part 2...

I am shaken by the speed at which this has occurred and how virulent and violent the language is within it, much of which has been directed towards our participants.
I am also extremely concerned that right wing twitter trolls should cause the use of inflammatory language in hasty public statements issued in connection with the project.
To safe-guard my own mental health, I have taken the decision to disable my twitter account. I would like to say special thanks to those who’ve enquired after my own well-being. I am ok, but I would encourage anyone experiencing issues arising from this week’s events to seek kindness, friendship, love and advice.
What has happened here only reaffirms my belief in the power of my show. As an artist and a producer I am committed to truth and a belief in the transformative power of the word. I am committed to telling it like it is. These are the principles which have always underpinned my work as artist or producer.
It is my belief that engagement, not disengagement is the way forward. This was my guiding principle in trying to deal with Bindle and Index on Censorship and unfortunately for me it has now backfired. I can now see that any form of engagement with the likes of Bindel and Index on Censorship is impossible, the latter of which I am saddened.
I agree with Dan de la Motte who was due to speak in the event on 31st October. He says: “Index on Censorship's belief that ultimate freedom of speech is more important than the rights of minority groups to live their lives freely and openly is not a belief I share”.
I do not believe that free speech should constitute transphobia, anti-semitism, homophobia or any kind discrimination, even if it is in the name of free speech.
I don’t know how this is going to play out and the impact it will have on me and my work, but in the wake of Roundhouse pulling the show, I remain defiant and proud of the show.
I encourage you to engage with this statement, share it, post your comments below, write to Roundhouse and write to Index on Censorship. Stand up for what you believe in.
Last night I received several statements of support from Peter Tatchell, Dan Glass, Leon Fleming, Stephen Laughton, Dan de la Motte, Penny Arcade and Steve Zehentner in New York. Penny and Steve say:
“Do you not find it odd that it is the producer of an open microphone for the people who is being castigated and blamed and NOT the hate monger? This is how the seeds of division are sown and where well intentioned progressives do the work of the right wing with the strategy of divide and conquer. There can be no progress for society without a learning curve for everyone. This is one small battle in the war for understanding in what is now in a very complicated and fraught free speech landscape.”
Penny Arcade and Steve Zehentner
Unlike many people in the world right now who are being silenced, we are fortunate our voices are being heard. I am especially fortunate to continue my autumn tour of ‘Truth to Power Café’. Participants in two countries will rise up in the name of free speech and political activism, an opportunity denied to our London participants.
Finally on what would have been the first night of our Roundhouse performance on 30 October, I will be announcing the revival of a show in New York which many of you know I will always be associated with and proudly so. Ironically, the show by Penny Arcade is a ‘rock’n roll pro-sex rally celebrating free speech and a political provocation for our times’, the title of which was banned by the BBC in 2012.

Popchyk · 26/10/2018 19:25

Part 3

Once again, I encourage you to enter into this debate, rise up in the name of free speech and political activism and share this post, and write your comments below.
Our freedoms and civil liberties are at stake.
Jeremy Goldstein
Founder and director, London Artists Projects
"The Roundhouse seems to have caved into censorship and bullying. It's claim that there is a risk that the Truth to Power Cafe event would not be a 'safe space' for young artists is unfounded and backed by no evidence. As far as I am aware, all the artists performing are advocates of equality and inclusion. How can that threaten anyone? This is another example of the closing down of open debate in the apparent name of not causing offence," said human rights campaigner Peter Tatchell, who was due to speak at the event on 30 October
"I abhor any abuse of freedom of speech, but i must say i am personally bewildered by all these labels and divisions. I'm repulsed by the deliberate stirring up and violent shrieking of those who enjoy intimidating and frightening whoever they judge as weak or wrong. I've lived with mental illness all my life, my own and others’, so i've learned through pain & endurance to have my own terms, and not to give ground where my integrity is threatened. I’ve also learned greatly from the example of others. I was once present at an unforgettable event where two men who had spent decades literally trying to kill one another sat side by side as blood brothers, telling the story of how everything that had separated them had dissolved through listening, learning to live and let live, coming to accept and to love. All i know is how extraordinarily different humans are from one another, as well as being fundamentally similar in key ways. I will always stand with the truth as it makes itself known to me."
Harry Burton, theatre director and actor and director of Harold Pinter’s Art, Truth and Politics with Mark Rylance, who was due to partake in a post show discussion with Index on Censorship on 31st October
"We have known and worked closely with Jeremy Goldstein since 2011. We know him to be a tireless worker and activist for LBGT and Queer Rights. Jeremy is one of the few producers willing to take on work that challenges the status quo and has been a tireless champion of our Feminist, Queer, Political Humanistic work that has always given voice to the outsider. To blame Jeremy Goldstein for the unfortunate infiltration of a transphobic hate monger into the wide open Truth To Power Cafe is to put the blame in the wrong place. Jeremy did the right thing. He stood up to hatred and nipped it in the bud, closing the opening to their participation. Do you not find it odd that it is the producer of an open microphone for the people who is being castigated and blamed and NOT the hate monger? This is how the seeds of division are sown and where well intentioned progressives do the work of the right wing with the strategy of divide and conquer. There can be no progress for society without a learning curve for everyone.This is one small battle in the war for understanding in what is now in a very complicated and fraught free speech landscape. Are we really going to let Free Speech die or will we use Free Speech as Jeremy Goldstein just did to stop a transphobic rant?"
Penny Arcade, Steve Zehentner, New York, New York
"The most important thing to do to tackle transphobia and all hate-speech is to platform those standing up to it. It shows the power of the Truth to Power Cafe. That it has been shut down by Roundhouse and is a crying a shame. It is testimony to Truth to Power Cafe's existence that it is spreading throughout the UK and beyond as people are hungry for true justice. As the great Paolo Freire says “Washing one's hands of the conflict between the powerful and the powerless means to side with the powerful, not to be neutral. ” ― Paulo Freire. Long Live Truth to Power cafe!"
Dan Glass, HIV+ activist for ACT UP London, human rights activist, activist of the year, who was due to speak at the event on 30th October
"It is deeply sad and frustrating how this situation has been handled by both Index on Censorship and Roundhouse in London. By hiding behind a superficial notion of free speech and suggesting that the event was cancelled due to 'the changing nature' of the project, these institutions are allowing for hate speech to prevail over the rights of citizens to freely exist. As per our statement announcing our decision to unplatform Julie Bindel and her hatred, we believe Freedom of Speech is a very powerful tool and fundamental for democracies to thrive. This does not mean that Hate Speech should go unchallenged and indeed, that hate speech is free of consequence. Much has been said over the past few years about the raise of democratic actions to unplatform anti-trans activism, racism and fascism. Indeed, fascists and anti-trans activists - a lot of them who have engaged in violent actions against innocent folk - have hidden behind free speech as a way to shield any valid criticism of their hatred. Following these events, I would like to extend my support for Jeremy and the Truth to Power Cafe. Having been on the receiving end of threats by the anti-trans hate mongers over the past few days, I understand the fear that comes with and the power these people have. So I am speaking my truth to power here: your actions and hatred only highlight how deeply biggotted and delusional you are, and institutions like Index on Censorship and The Roundhouse should be ashamed of themselves for directly - even if unintentionally - supporting you. You currently stand in the way of democracy and human rights, but mark my words: you won't hold that position for much longer. #Resist"
Xavier de Sousa, artist and activist who was due to speak at the event on 30th October
"I am very disheartened by the decision to cancel the Truth to Power Cafe performances. I was looking forward to using the platform generously offered to me by Jeremy to state publicly and unequivocally my support and solidarity with my trans siblings. The Queer community needs to unite as one - it must never be a place where hatred, bigotry and intolerance can breed. I was appalled at the decision of Index on Censorship to withdraw their support for the event following the removal of Julie Bindel, whose comments have created so much distress to trans people and their allies, as as speaker. Index on Censorship's belief that ultimate freedom of speech is more important than the rights of minority groups to live their lives freely and openly is not a belief that I share. Jeremy recently participated in a Queer Tours of London event, and I know him to be a champion of Queer rights and issues."
Dan de la Motte, would-be participant, activist and performer, Queer Tours of London who was due to speak at the event on 31st October
"I personally think cancelling the Truth to Power Cafe events shows incredibly poor judgement from the Roundhouse. Throwing Jeremy Goldstein and the entire project under the bus, shows weak leadership. Julie Bindell is a troll and a hate monger, and has no place in progressive activism. Her comments about homosexuality are half-baked, worse detrimental. Her views on the Trans community are deplorable and sicken me to the core. She should be ashamed of herself, and these views undermine any attempt to move towards a truly free, safe, respectful and egalitarian society. Jeremy made the right decision in deplatforming her, he was quite clearly strong-armed, if not bullied into an apology by the Index on Censorship. In blaming him for this, the Roundhouse are scapegoating an artist who has spent his entire career championing the very Queer voice they are pitting him against. I’m shocked. The Index on Censorship has too backed the wrong horse, and their statement verges on laughable. Bindell stokes hatred and harm to one of our societies most vulnerable groups, by supporting that voice, Index on Censorship stand in direct opposition to the exact themes of freedom and expression they claim to fight for. In light of this weeks events, I was planning on using the Truth to Power Cafe platform to publicly support my Trans siblings, and strongly condemn both the Index of Censorship and Bindell. I was not the only one. We are one LGBTQ+ community, and many of us planned to stand together in support. In cancelling these shows, the Roundhouse, rather than creating this supposed safe environment, have taken away an opportunity to turn something awful into a truly positive moment. They have robbed us of a chance to come together as a community, of a chance of fellowship, of a place for care. I’m disgusted by Bindell. I’m appalled by the Index of Censorship, I’m disappointed in the Roundhouse."
Stephen Laughton, playwright who was due to speak at the event on 30th October
"I am appalled that in its decision regarding Truth to Power Café the Roundhouse would find itself with so little backbone; trembling and jellied, and with a void where their integrity should be sitting, that they have chosen to cancel the shows next week. They have been tested by a few trans-exclusionary twitter trolls, and they have found themselves wanting. I applauded the decision to remove Bindel from the programme; not because I believe people should be silenced, not because I’m an enemy of free speech, but because in a curated event it is the organiser’s responsibility to ensure the physical and psychological well-being of its participants. Bindel’s presence alone, in light of some of the things she has said publicly on the very many occasions she has been platformed; bringing into question even the right of existence of our trans siblings, puts the psychological safety of any trans participants in peril. How can anyone command the strength to speak their truth to power in an environment where one of their fellow participants is well known for telling the world that they don’t exist, that they’re not who they say they are, that they are frauds, that they are imposters, and that they are a danger to society? The same words, the same hate; that has been used – and still is in many places around the world – when talking about gay, lesbian and bisexual cis-gendered men and women, who now have the power and opportunity to stand as allies for the trans and no-binary members of our LGBTQ+ family. As a gay cis man I stand with my trans and non-binary siblings. As a socialist I stand by its empirical principle that all people are equal. And as I playwright I stand for the rights of freedom of expression. But not hate. I do not stand for hate. Or for the exclusion of a people because of who they are. Or for the erasure of a people, and the silencing of a people, because some would seek to cut them off from the rest of humanity. This was to be my third experience of Truth to Power Café; my first was as an audience member, my second was as a participant. I was once again going to speak about the use of exclusionary language used by professionals within the arts; a form of snobbery and classism which erects a wall between working-class artists and the professions they choose to pursue in the arts. I was going to come down hard on an industry and a community which claims to be openings itself up, to be inclusive, to embrace diversity; and yet has chosen to create a vocabulary devoid of context with the sole intention of holding the “wrong sort” of artists out of their enclave. This would have been my truth to power, and I am disappointed I will no longer be able to present this to a London audience; a speech which I’m very proud to say has since its last outing has been circulated around the offices of Arts Council England’s Northern Region. I have been proud to work with Jeremy and the team at Truth to Power Café, and I would be proud to do so again; for here is a man who believes absolutely in the need and the benefit of confronting those whose shadow’s reach is greater than their physical stature, who would seek to use their immense power to hold others underfoot. And this is why it is so incredulous, and so obscene that the Roundhouse would use their considerable power to silence those who really do feel the weight of oppression on them every day; in order to validate the right of one person to use their very substantial power to oppress others. Even in the kindest, most generous light I can cast on the Roundhouse in the making of this decision; it is a shameful display of cowardice. "
Leon Fleming, playwright who was due to speak at the event on 30th October

Popchyk · 26/10/2018 19:43

Sorry about those long posts. Thought I'd post them because he's deleted them now, probably as someone has pointed out how libellous they are.

Anyway, gist of it is that Jeremy Goldstein is a wonderful kind person and Evil Julie is a violence-inciting transphobe.

And Jeremy is saddened about it all, particularly the bits that Julie made him do.

Juells · 26/10/2018 19:52

This week two participants kindly, generously and without prejudice brought to my attention

Puke-making, isn't it? Being the Son of the Hackney Gang is very important to him, he shoehorns it in at every opportunity.

hellandhairnets · 26/10/2018 19:56

Good grief.

What an utter coward.

Charliethefeminist · 26/10/2018 20:04

Bloody hell they are all completely barmy

Absolute inversion of the provable truth on do many counts, false, defamatory and hypocritical!

Does Jeremy have skeletons? Why else would you be so pathetic and craven?

Charliethefeminist · 26/10/2018 20:07

Are they not ashamed to humiliate and a base themselves like this? And then to claim your own free speech is being silenced? What? And who holds violent demonstrations? It's not feminists. Are Roundhouse supposed to be 'the oppressors?' What the buggery fuck is he on about?

Charliethefeminist · 26/10/2018 20:08

Also do you have the posts saved somewhere else because MN might take down

Nofedora · 26/10/2018 20:10

He is a vain narcissistic fool.

hackmum · 26/10/2018 20:12

It is surely libellous to suggest that Julie’s views incite hatred and violence. Apart from which, what a self-important little twat.

Sarahconnor1 · 26/10/2018 20:14

Julie's response. It appears there are emails which shine a different light on Jeremys account.

Truth 2 power, your having a laugh.

You couldn't make this up - Julie Bindle no platformed at @truth2powercafe
Juells · 26/10/2018 20:14

I thought the Index on Censorship statement at the time was shitty as well. It implied that her views really were hateful. Which allows Fairy Wings to say Index on Censorship themselves say they draw the line at free speech which incites hatred and violence. I'd like to know if they said one thing in public and one thing in private to him.

Popchyk · 26/10/2018 20:15

Oh, good thinking Charlie.

I will put them on the other place. For safe keeping.

Should have taken a screenshot, but I suspect that others have.

Materialist · 26/10/2018 20:15

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Manderleyagain · 26/10/2018 20:17

He must have known jb's opinions. She publishes them! Obviously what he means by free speech and what index mean are v different. Most of the participants are using a v restrictive and woke definition of freedom of speech. Not one I would have recognised at all ten years ago.

Manderleyagain · 26/10/2018 20:21

Juells I didn't read their statement like that- though I can see why you did. I thought it was basically a summary of their position that they take for all purposes.

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