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Transwoman BFs baby for 6 weeks

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goodyzoe Sat 10-Feb-18 09:12:40

No mention of the actual mother. Given the well documented narcisistic tendencies of many transwomen are mothers going to be bullied out of BFing now so transwomen can use babies to validate their delusions.

And what of the baby's health - the drugs used to stimulate milk in the trans woman come through in the milk - what is the effect of this?

We know milk is not just food but medicine. Even if a trans woman van produce milk with drugs to stimulate it - is their body working with the baby's to support their immune system like it would from the mother?

How fucking selfish do you have to be, to experiment on a baby like this.

GoodyMog Sat 10-Feb-18 09:14:37

Good to see them putting the baby's needs before their feelings. hmm

Wanderingwomb Sat 10-Feb-18 09:18:03

No thought about the fact that breastfeeding also has numerous health benefits for the mother -helping to protect against breast cancer and post natal depression for instance. I also love how all the talk of womb transplants never mentions waiting for a healthy young woman to die first.

goodyzoe Sat 10-Feb-18 09:23:16

I read an interview with another transwomen not long ago - they really wanted to BF - sharing with the actusl mother.

But the mother's BFing had been unsuccessful after struggling and the baby went on formula after a few weeks. The transwomen seemed to not even entertain the idea it might have been something to do with him interfering.

BFing can be hard enough to establish without your other half demanding turns to validate their ladyfeelz. Surely that mucks up establishing supply?

KalaLaka Sat 10-Feb-18 09:24:05

^the FDA is reportedly still worried about the possible effects of domperidone on infants, since the drug is passed through breast milk.

Even if a Trans woman is willing to assume these health risks,^

It's not a risk to her, but potentially to her newborn baby. Surely they can do skin to skin, even latch the baby on, but avoid the risk of poisoning their baby with drugs.

Totally selfish action. Maybe having the baby is purely self-validating for this individual.

Winefred Sat 10-Feb-18 09:33:52

Afternooncatnap Sat 10-Feb-18 09:37:03

The drug is illegal due to side effects and it is passed through the milk.

How is this legal.

Winefred Sat 10-Feb-18 09:41:19

Did the baby have two X chromosomes? - so it automatically had less rights than the man pretending to be its mother.

StillTryingHard Sat 10-Feb-18 09:45:53

Fucking eye roll. Denial of inner human biology above have said. It's not just milk. It's a symbiotic relationship between mother & child where chemical makeup of milk actually changes. Miracle

UpstartCrow Sat 10-Feb-18 09:47:10

In women; ''reviewers concluded that improvement of breastfeeding practices seems more effective and safer than off-label use of domperidone''

Those 2 doctors should be disciplined. They involved a child in a fetish.

LangCleg Sat 10-Feb-18 09:48:07

Yet another #peaktrans moment. Yet another rage stroke.

If you're a woman breastfeeding: it's called chestfeeding you transphobic bigot! Don't drink alcohol! Don't eat this exhaustive list of foods you like! Mixed feeding will literally kill your baby! Yadda ad infinitum.

If you're a bloke in a dress: here, have this dangerous cocktail of off label drugs, one of which has potentially fatal side effects and all of which will pass to your baby! Brave! Stunning! Partner's engorged breasts and mastitis? What partner?

I always think I can't top the last level of furious. But it seems there's always more.

TerfClub Sat 10-Feb-18 09:53:11

I saw this on Twitter earlier, and a comment that said something like: women, breastfeed your child, but don't drink, don't take xyz, do this, do that. Men: take these drugs and breastfeed the child regardless of the possible danger to the baby of taking those drugs.

AssignedPuuurfectAtBirth Sat 10-Feb-18 09:58:53

That's fucking child abuse. Why is there no mention of the mother?

OvaHere Sat 10-Feb-18 10:00:13

FFS angry

Women are often denied decent pain medication during labour and post natally because of the potential effects on the baby.

Dude who thinks he's a woman - just fine. Who gives a shit about the baby or person who actually gave birth.

Seriously, what kind of gas lighting, abusive set must a new mother be in if she can be persuaded this was a good idea?

Unless the baby was via surrogacy which is always a high possibility.

RedToothBrush Sat 10-Feb-18 10:02:19

Breast feeding is beneficial to the health of the mother. Not just the child.

So that woman is losing out on those health benefits, the child is being exposed to drugs needlessly and there is no long term study on the health of the trans people.

This is unethical human experimentation. Those doctors should all be struck off. Individuals who do this have certain political beliefs. They are all extremist who care little if anything for human rights.

hazelnutamericano Sat 10-Feb-18 10:03:00

I see this as just another example of men sexualising breastfeeding, just in a different (and even more damaging) way. It's abhorrent and I can never understand why MN is seemingly the only place I find where people think so!

AnotherCassandra Sat 10-Feb-18 10:03:50

That family is being abused.

yorkshireyummymummy Sat 10-Feb-18 10:10:52

Is there nothing left for us?
Is nothing sacred anymore?
How far will these men go to strip from us all that is exclusive to being a woman. They won’t stop till we have no fucking rights and theirs will always trump ours as they scream “transphobia”.

I have no words.

motmot Sat 10-Feb-18 10:22:24

Just when I thought I couldn't get any more angry and depressed about this issue. That's just mind bogglingly awful! Women in the USA struggle to breastfeed due to utterly shit maternity leave, huge historic pressure to formula feed and terrible support with difficulties, yet here we have this pet lab project, at a cost (financial, but also medical, moral, ethical!) of who knows, an experiment being conducted on a tiny newborn baby and its mother. Fucking hell.

SophoclesTheFox Sat 10-Feb-18 10:38:08

Bloody hell. Every day a new level of lunacy.

James Caspian could not get a project past the ethics committee at Bath Spa uni to research into de-trasitioning.

But this - THIS! - gets nodded through? That is outrageous. That poor child has been exposed to god only knows what dangers in the pursuit of validating a delusion.

I couldn't have children. I would have quite liked to have had the experience of breastfeeding. I'm kind of sad that I didn't. You don't catch me stamping my feet and insisting that what I really need is for some poor mother to be guilted into handing over their helpless infant and have its health endangered to make me stop feeling sad.

Those doctors/researchers/dangerous quacks need to be disbarred, immediately. None of what they were doing was remotely ethical.

That article is absolutely chilling - one sentence mentions the fact that the drug is passed through the milk to the infant. But it doesn't even make so much as a nod to wondering...what could the effect on the baby be? What has happened to make people so willfully ignorant? It's just mind boggling.

SophoclesTheFox Sat 10-Feb-18 10:39:31

Actually, on reflection, I have been too kind to the mother.

Who would stand by and let this happen to their child? What the hell was she thinking?

rowdywoman1 Sat 10-Feb-18 10:42:09

Medical experimentation on babies - completely unethical.

RedToothBrush Sat 10-Feb-18 10:49:34

Did she have a choice?

The trans widows thread is somewhat enlightening on abuse.

BoreOfWhabylon Sat 10-Feb-18 11:10:00

Good grief!

From the case report:

Throughout this process, the patient used domperidone that was obtained from Canada, where it is commonly used off-label as a galactogogue. Domperidone is not currently available in the United States for gastrointestinal use due to the FDA's concern about its association with cardiac arrhythmias, cardiac arrest, and sudden death when used intravenously. The FDA has warned against domperidone's off-label use as a galactogogue due to its unknown risks on breastfeeding infants.7

And here is one of the authors, Nurse Practitioner and transgender activist Zil Goldstein

No competing interests?

hazeyjane Sat 10-Feb-18 11:13:22

Oh for fucking fucks sake.

Women struggle to breastfeed, post natal care is appalling, birth injuries and long term effects of c sections are ignored and treated with disdain....but somehow enabling a transgender individual to breastfeed a child (because this is not a transgender health issue as that article purports, it's a transgender wish fulfilment issue) - to the possible detriment of the baby and the actual mother, becomes something that is deemed as worthy of medical professionals time.

Quite frankly there aren't enough swear words in the world to cover how I feel about this.

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