Transwoman BFs baby for 6 weeks

[goodyzoe]

No mention of the actual mother. Given the well documented narcisistic tendencies of many transwomen are mothers going to be bullied out of BFing now so transwomen can use babies to validate their delusions.

And what of the baby's health - the drugs used to stimulate milk in the trans woman come through in the milk - what is the effect of this?

We know milk is not just food but medicine. Even if a trans woman van produce milk with drugs to stimulate it - is their body working with the baby's to support their immune system like it would from the mother?

How fucking selfish do you have to be, to experiment on a baby like this.

www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.romper.com/p/a-transgender-woman-has-exclusively-breastfed-her-baby-its-a-dream-come-true-8146751/amp

Here's an article

here

I think that an interesting point here is why lactation would be reserved for TIMs, why not men who want to do it?

They say that biology is immaterial, but then with things like this I've seen it framed as, obviously a TIM will want to BF, it's a mother thing. Why wouldn't it be a father thing, if possible? Ethics aside I mean. They reinforce their sexist ideas at every turn while claiming it's others who are "bigoted".

I agree with others that the Domperidone is less worrying than the hormone therapy this man was taking in order to lactate. I actually find it hard to believe this is true, I suspect this baby will have been supplemented by either formula or breast milk from its mother
If not there could definitely be risks of hormones affecting the babies development...but then again maybe that’s the idea

This is horrific. Where are the studies that prove that it is safe to do this? (For all parties - particularly the baby, but what long term effect might these drugs have on a TIM?)

(Though I keep reading "domperidone" as "Dom Perignon". But, ironically enough, someone who was breastfeeding told the world about their daily champagne habit would no doubt have shouts of "child abuse" and "how dare they consume alcohol! Bad mother!")

the FDA is reportedly still worried about the possible effects of domperidone on infants, since the drug is passed through breast milk.

The drug is illegal due to side effects and it is passed through the milk.

Is this correct? Is this a recent thing? 5 years back when I had my daughter, I really struggled to BF, after horrid advice by the hospital who told me my daughter would starve as I seemed to be producing no milk and she had not had a 'proper' feed for a day. I do know now that colostrum is more than enough for newborns, but at the time I listened to the 'professionals' and went onto bottles. A few weeks after this i changed my mind and did want to BF for sure but couldn;t produce any milk. I ended up seeing a lactation consultant who put me on vast quantities of domperidone to help me. No mention of side effects for the baby, it was apparently very safe as it was only an antiemetic so even if a tiny bit did get to her, its only anti-sickness medication so it may also help with her puking. Was what I was told. As it turned out, even with taking like 20 of these per day i could only produce 6oz a day so I gave up totally. But yeah, it was actually dangerous despite what I was told?

Its different completely when men are doing it though. the male body is not designed to breastfeed so surely, any produced milk will be useless?

Anyone know if Transgender Health is a peer reviewed journal. I am struggling to see this as anything other than a hoax.

Mmmmhh it claims to be....

Love the religious analogy

I thought of a further disturbing element to the religious analogies. It's a fundamentalist approach - transactivists don't just want the right to believe what they believe, which would be fine. Nobody should get to tell someone else what to believe. The worrying part is that they won't rest until they force everyone around them to believe it too. And that's where it gets nasty.

@TheGoalIsToStayOutOfTheHole

No, it's not. Just posting again. Lactmed is an excellent database of all medicines and their effects on breastfed infants, amounts in milk etc from published studies:

toxnet.nlm.nih.gov/cgi-bin/sis/search2/f?./temp/~IlBuUp:1

The link has expired; this is the lactmed link, just search for the drug.

toxnet.nlm.nih.gov/newtoxnet/lactmed.htm

DH's take on this story:

"Breaking News! Scientists discover drug to make dogs say quack!"

Aaaaaaand... Paris Lees thinks this is great news.

Absolutely no idea that the US has no medical ethics, there is no way this would be sanctioned by any NHS provider and, even if it was, would be a child protection issue that likely resulted in care proceedings.

These people cannot see anything beyond their own validation. Not even babies penetrate their lack of awareness that other human beings exist and have rights.

twitter.com/parislees/status/962731682100142080

Linked to that thread: the medical research report.

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5779241/

A few parts had my eyebrows raised. Particularly

"Her surgical history was notable only for laparoscopic cholecystectomy. She had not had any gender-affirming surgeries such as breast augmentation, orchiectomy, or vaginoplasty.

On initial examination the patient was a pleasant, well nourished, well developed woman who appeared her stated age. Her breasts were noted to be Tanner stage V."

And

"Our patient continued to take spironolactone while breastfeeding for androgen blockade. A known metabolite of spironolactone, cancrenone is excreted in human milk. This has been shown to be 0.2% of the maternal daily dose, which is thought to be clinically insignificant.16 Spironolactone has been reported to have tumorigenic potential in rats, but according to the American Academy of Pediatrics, it is thought to be compatible with breastfeeding."

This story has really upset me, for similar reasons to why women unable to get sterilised find it frustrating that TIFs are offered hysterectomies. I have Insufficent Glandular Tissue and struggled to breastfeed my children as my supply was so low. I was prescribed domperidone in a far higher dose than 30mg a day, and spent a fortune on herbs, but never got to the point where I could fully feed my children. I researched and researched, and my very lovely GP tried to get me referred to an endocrinologist but the NHS said nothing could be done. It took me years to even start resigning myself to it all and even now I feel ashamed of my useless inadequate breasts. I know I'm far from being the only woman in this situation. Why is so much effort being put into this and so little effort being made to help natal women in distress? Women who are designed to feed their children and would receive the health benefits of breastfeeding?

It's just seriously fucked up!

You
It’s crap isn’t it that women are alway put at the bottom of the list

There’s something deeply suspect about men who on some deep level want to remove women from the reproductive and childbearing/nurturing process. It’s like they can’t stand the idea that this is a bit of power or capability they lack. So it needs either to be dismissed as trivial or in some way undesirable or (if it is still seen as an important function) it must be taken over/taken away from women.

In that whole piece, possible side effects to the TIM are discussed but not a word about the baby. Not a single word.

Also, for you.

What is shocking me is that some MNers are actually defending this on the other thread

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/3165784-To-think-that-inducing-lactation-in-a-man-with-illegal-drugs-is-not-the-best-way-to-feed-a-newborn?pg=1

Are we 100% sure that this really happened? Is the source reliable?

Mind you, that's my reaction to so many news stories involving TIMs

It's irrelevant that he drug is used to increase lactation in women. We have hormonal levels and sensory organs which lead to a feedback loop controlling milk production. Men don't. Unbelievably selfish. Poor baby. Parenting is about putting your kids first, not your stupid fantasy

'I mean, honestly. What more evidence do you need that these unhinged narcissists and their medical enablers are now posing a serious risk to children? If this doesn't do it, what the fuck will?

SAFEGUARDING. SAFEGUARDING. SAFEGUARDING.'

Except this drug is used to help women breastfeed- including adoptive mothers. This thread does nothing except show how people will run with (transphobic/ paranoid/ call it what you like) fears without finding out what the truth really is.

Ekphrasis

Thank you for that. I was very worried I had been given false info and/or illegal drugs

Aside from the actually false info (your baby will starve if you do not formula feed, 24 hours after giving birth. Fuckers) I was given

Though, reading that through closely now (skim read before)

Most published studies have used domperidone in a dosage of 10 mg 3 times daily for 4 to 10 days.
Dosages greater than 30 mg daily may increase the risk of arrhythmias and sudden cardiac death in patients receiving domperidone

I was on 60mg 3x per day.

I had no side effects mind you, nor any withdrawal symptoms, but its concerning that I was told that there was no risk to the baby, and that I seem to have been on very high doses. I trusted what I was told as it was an actual lactation consultant that advised me and did my dosage levels and such.

My understanding is that the cardiac risks apply to those with pre-existing heart conditions.