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How many leavers would support ID cards ?

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lurkinghusband Thu 19-Jan-17 14:59:02

My spidey senses (especially with the NI discussion passim) are starting to pick up an "we would need ID cards post Brexit" whiff in the air.

(Since this is Brexit related, obviously no details are needed)

So if every person in the UK (snowflakes included) was required to carry an official ID card at all times and become a criminal if they don't (even if they forget) is that a price worth paying.

Every person - from birth ....

RortyCrankle Thu 19-Jan-17 15:30:48

I am a Leaver who not only wouldn't support, I would refuse to carry one.

lurkinghusband Thu 19-Jan-17 15:52:00

Thanks for engaging ...

Do you see the irony in a situation where by leaving the EU - where every country except the UK (and ROI) mandate ID cards - the UK could be required to introduce them ?

Which would you detest more ? ID cards, or UK membership of the EU ?

The powers that be have wanted (other people to carry) ID cards since the year dot. Previously, no matter how carefully they crafted the narrative it fell down when it dawned on middle class white people that "everyone" includes them - at which point the scheme is dropped.

The fact that the usual suspects in government IT have started reactivating ID card projects (well, adding a few zeroes) suggests it's somewhere in a pipeline somewhere. Trebles all round !

Kaija Thu 19-Jan-17 17:54:18

I am certain you are right, lurking. At my local adult education college you now (since September) need to present a passport, birth certificate or national ID card even to join a six week evening class in crochet or Tai Chi (or whatever). And the ID is a condition of the college's funding from the government, so they have to enforce it.

It's all moving in one direction.

It's all going one way.

AllPowerfulLizardPerson Thu 19-Jan-17 17:56:46

Why would it become necessary to introduce ID cards?

Sorry, but I just can't see it's remotely credible.

Kaija Thu 19-Jan-17 17:57:35

(Sorry I didn't mean to put both of those last sentences in - thought one had disappeared. Bit melodramatic.)

Kaija Thu 19-Jan-17 17:57:57

Why, lizard person?

AllotmentyPlenty Thu 19-Jan-17 18:01:18

I liked your last two sentences - drama is deserved in this whole Brexit situation. I needed photo ID just to check into a Youth Hostel recently. First time in more than thirty years hostelling...

Kaija Thu 19-Jan-17 18:02:46

And why would the government have introduced the requirement for people to provide passports for an evening class? Note, not courses leading to qualifications, just leisure courses. That would have seemed barely credible a year ago.

IamWendy Thu 19-Jan-17 18:06:58

I wouldn't mind one bit. I have never seen the issue, I'd campaign for them tbh.

AllPowerfulLizardPerson Thu 19-Jan-17 18:13:09

Well can you explain why, tiger than 'spidey senses' or unnamed 'usual suspects' there is anything behind this whatsoever?

When there is something to say that can be tracked to an actual source, then perhaps there will be some credibility.

I agree that there are more and more circumstances where photo ID is required - but the timelines for when that happened don't generally match referendum timelines.

Lilybensmum1 Thu 19-Jan-17 18:18:46

Didn't the government try to introduce some sort of national identity card or something similar a few years back but then back tracked? I personally don't see the problem with it, if we did carry identity cards would it not be beneficial for security, identification of people in accidents/incidents?

Wishforsnow Thu 19-Jan-17 18:19:35

Yes, I don't really have an issue with them

PlymouthMaid1 Thu 19-Jan-17 18:23:00

I would like an ID card.

ExcuseMyEyebrows Thu 19-Jan-17 18:29:41

I don't have an issue with them. And lots of people don't have passports or driving licences for ID.

LadyMonicaBaddingham Thu 19-Jan-17 18:32:37

I'm a remainer and I've long said that we should all have national identity cards issued qhen our national insurance number comes through

LadyMonicaBaddingham Thu 19-Jan-17 18:32:44

I'm a remainer and I've long said that we should all have national identity cards issued qhen our national insurance number comes through

Ipigglemustdie Thu 19-Jan-17 18:33:34

I'm hoping for something really Sci-fi cool, like my card being linked to my fingerprints and dna. Maybe retinal scanner activated.

Then I'd still vote leave, cos fuck the eu. grin

specialsubject Thu 19-Jan-17 18:33:50

Presenting I d to get something or enrol in something is not the same as carrying compulsory I d cards. The former is entirely reasonable.

Plifner Thu 19-Jan-17 18:34:36

I don't have an issue with them. We already happily use passports and driving licences to collect post from the post office. I've never considered that unnecessary.

lurkinghusband Thu 19-Jan-17 18:37:02

Most people missing the point (as usual).

Personally I carry ID too. At the very least a driving license when I am driving.

The debate I am trying to have is not so much about what forms ID may or may not take, and all about a legal requirement to have one at all times, which is the law that is five seconds behind the introduction of ID cards.

So, let's try again.

How many people here are happy that they might be stopped - anytime, any place, and asked to show their ID card. And are subsequently prepared to spend time in a police cell, or paying the fine for NOT carrying one ?

Ipigglemustdie Thu 19-Jan-17 18:39:44

Yep happy to do that.

Fuck the eu and all that grin

Peregrina Thu 19-Jan-17 18:46:52

Yep happy to do that.

What, spend time in a Police cell?

LadyMonicaBaddingham Thu 19-Jan-17 18:47:35

People manage to take their phone everywhere even to the loo DH I don't see how carrying an ID card would be sooooooo hard.

MoreThanUs Thu 19-Jan-17 18:50:52

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