How many leavers would support ID cards ?

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My spidey senses (especially with the NI discussion passim) are starting to pick up an "we would need ID cards post Brexit" whiff in the air.

(Since this is Brexit related, obviously no details are needed)

So if every person in the UK (snowflakes included) was required to carry an official ID card at all times and become a criminal if they don't (even if they forget) is that a price worth paying.

Every person - from birth ....

OP - anything to say this is even being thought about at the moment? Anything to link it to Brexit? Have you just imagined this whole scenario?

With all these things, a key issue is - how secure do you think all that personal data will be?

Anyone who knows about eg the blacklisting scandal will know the potential for misuse of this kind of info, with lifetime consequences -

ico.org.uk/for-the-public/construction-blacklist/

There is evidence that some of the material on the blacklist can only have come from a senior serving police officer - delivered to a private meeting of blacklisting construction companies.

Lives were ruined for eg making a fuss as an apprentice because you and your workmates were fed up with having to get your drinking water from the sink in the toilet ...That was you with a lifetime secret ban from ever working in construction again...

What if eg you get stopped for your details on a march, or because you witness or report a crime, or go to a political meeting your employers might not approve of? Etc etc

And what about the morrisons workers whose personal data - bank details etc etc was made public because an employee from the accounting department was pissed off and decided to get his own back by sticking everyone's data online?

And what of eg the tesco bank fraud - where (somewhat worryingly) levels of online fraud were higher at the weekend because they were short staffed (?!!?)

And what a hacking opportunity a national ID database would present to a hostile state.

Mother I had gone to the airport to pick a friend up, and had to go through the security to get into arrivals, via the tent at the entrance, and then the extra scanner near the Delhaize, so it wasn't just normal security.

I don't understand why people are against ID when we already have various forms.
The rest of Europe has ID cards, I think, and they manage ok.

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I dont want to have to carry it

I dont want not carrying it or not producing it to be a crime

I dont want anyone who hasnt got one at all to be punished or inconvenienced

And thats with out going into any depth at all

ID cards are actually pretty useful- I live in HK and we all have them. There's nothing on it that they dont know already and you can go through airport security with swipe and fingerprint recognition. It's also much more efficient to have one number that works across different government dept. systems.

It's kind of laughable how worried everyone was about them when they were proposed here - with the spread of social media, half those people who were against them are sharing far more than they ever would have with an ID card.

I'd be fine with the type and use of ID cards that most of the EU and many other democratic countries have:

• Not biometric, but just very basic info like the old NHS / NI card used to have
• Cheap & quick to obtain from local government offices
• Proves entitlement of access to the NHS and other public services that are not free to the world
• ID to show when someone is arrested or questioned by the police, but not for stop & search without cause

I opposed the previous Labour govt attempt to bring in biometric ID cards, with fingerprints, retina scans etc - totally over the top & oppressive.
The planned IT system for it looked a disaster.
Also an expensive ripoff, both for the cards and the IT.

I'm not sure what this has to do with Brexit, but I'm a Leave voter who actively campaigned against ID cards when Labour wanted to introduce them, and haven't changed my mind.

I have a passport, a work ID card and a student card. I take these with me only when I need them. Each carries different information. I've chosen to have them, and I'm not going to be arrested for not carrying them. I value my privacy - I don't use Facebook or Twitter, keep the location service on my phone turned off unless I need to use it, etc. I don't care whether other people do those things or not, it's just the choice that I've made.

I'd support an optional ID card scheme for people who don't have other forms of identification and would find it useful, or people who would like to have one. I don't think anyone has the right to tell me that I must obtain and carry one. But then I'm a negative-liberty type in general, so that's unsurprising.

Cancelly, the only thing it has to do with Brexit is that OP (wrongly) assumed that his narrow view of Leave voters was correct.

That Leave voters would be clamouring for ID cards as a means to round up foreigners etc.

What this thread actually showed was that both Leave & Remain voters have their own, individual opinions on ID cards - and as that doesn't confirm his bias he hasn't deigned to return to the thread...

Not sure what this has to do with Brexit but whats the beef with ID cards, they would be quite handy. We get asked to use utility bills etc to prove address but who the heck gets paper utility bills anymore.

I think it was the other way round - op speculated leavers more concerned with state control, privacy etc, and less likely to be in favour of ID cards, hence the question of whether it would be a price worth paying. As it turns out it looks like a fairly even split.

The UK has been round and round the houses on ID cards over the last decade.
Not going to happen because they would cost too much.

I think ID cards are a really good idea.

Haven't read the responses on the thread but I'm a "leaver" and I have no issues with carrying an ID card, I can only see benefits from it (such as a link to my medical history if I'm in an accident). And it could be useful as an ID for our son, he doesn't have any photo ID just now.

I would love an ID card,as long as it was recognised as an official form of ID,in the same way a driving licence or passport is. I don't drive,so therefore don't have a driving licence,and I don't go abroad on holiday,mainly as I have quite bad health problems,and also because of the cost. So I don't have a passport,and don't see why I should have to fork out for one just for ID purposes. I have lost count of the times I have been asked over the last 15 years or so to provide 'photo ID',either a passport or a driving licence. I have been made to feel like something of an oddity,as if I can't actually exist because I possess neither!

I used to have to carry an ID card for work; dh has always had to have one for his employment, so for me, it's a matter of course, and living in Belgium, compulsory. I just tuck it into my purse behind my driving licence.

wouldn't have cards at all, just an ID database, I'm sure there's an app opportunity there - everybody has a phone nowadays.

The people saying about hacking, well yes, pretty much anything can be hacked, including the look-up when you give an id card - I'm presuming police etc would actually look up the info to check the id was not false.

p.s. if we all had to have actual id cards, I'm sure they'd make us pay for them too.

I voted leave, yes I would support ID cards but, for me, they must be cheaper than a passport is and a driving licence, passport, warrant card etc must be able to be used as an alternative.
I'm against having to purchase yet another form of photo ID when I already have several. I think thats why a large number of people object. There has to be common sense. But just like with a driving licence and motor documents you should be asked to produce them within 7 days if you are found not to have them on your person when asked to show them.

Secure ID cards are hugely expensive to produce and the government would need to finance an army of civil servants across the country to administer the system. They are more expensive to administer than passports because they include addresses which need to be updated regularly. Central government will not be able to finance that - paricularly not under current circumstances. So the charges would fall on the individual holder. Once people are told they are going to have to pay £100 for this card enthusiasm will rapidly wane. Hundreds of thousands of people would refuse to pay what is to all intents and circumstances a tax.
They add little or no value. The vast majority of people have passports and/or driving licences. It would be completely disproportionate to introduce a compulsory ID scheme for all to cater for the very low - and decreasing- numbers who have neither.

Would it be that expensive? I have no idea about the full system cost, but an ID card in Spain (electronic ID card with microchip/biometrics) is just €10.60. And renewals because of a change of address are free. You just book an appointment (online), go to the Police station, they check the details and issue a new one. Last time I went, during a holiday in Spain, it was just 10 minutes (and free because my address had changed).

On the other hand, the passport fee is €26.02 while it is £72.50 here so I do not know how they manage to do it at such a low cost...

.....also I think Mrs May might find it a little difficult to introduce them given her past record on this issue

www.theguardian.com/politics/2010/may/27/theresa-may-scrapping-id-cards

Everytime I leave the house I take my phone, my keys and my purse which contains several bank and loyalty cards. It would not be any inconvenience whatsoever to add an ID card. I have no problem with carrying one.