How many leavers would support ID cards ?

[lurkinghusband]

My spidey senses (especially with the NI discussion passim) are starting to pick up an "we would need ID cards post Brexit" whiff in the air.

(Since this is Brexit related, obviously no details are needed)

So if every person in the UK (snowflakes included) was required to carry an official ID card at all times and become a criminal if they don't (even if they forget) is that a price worth paying.

Every person - from birth ....

Mrs May would do a U-turn and introduce them if she found it expedient to do so.

I carry an I'd card with me at all times, it has a photo on it, my address and other info. Its called a 'Driving License'

Now if they made another ID card, they could use that to incorporate all other forms of ID. An omnicard as it were.

This could include basic medical info, NI number, Driving entitlements and be a visa for travelling beyond our borders.

I haven't moved house for more than 30 years, so my driving licence doesn't have a photo on it. The only ID I have with a photo is my bus pass.

My parents, who are no longer alive, would have struggled to produce photo ID. They stopped travelling, so didn't have valid passports; they stopped driving, so would only have had old non -photo licences, and they weren't fit enough to go anywhere by bus, so never claimed their bus passes.

@peregrina
... but they are too expensive, and the government has no money, so it ain't going to happen.
...also non driving, non passport holders are probably

@DjKkk

"Visa for travelling beyond our borders" !!!!!

IME the only countries which require EXIT visas are totalitarian states (NK, Cuba, the FSU). Things are getting bad here but surely not that bad.

Entry visas are issued by the state granting entry. So they are unlikely to accept a UK issued document

Lohengrin

By Visa to travel beyond our borders I meant an updated version of a passport, that document you need to travel beyond our borders.

The majority have photo ID driving licenses, everyone has NI cards So it wouldn't be that big of a stretch to expand the existing system.

If the UK had an effective system, ID cards or otherwise, and processes in place to control immigration (as many other EU countries do), it would have avoided the need to leave the EU.

I think we're all well aware the supposed benefits of leaving will all be illusory, but I suppose it will get rid of the "blame the EU" excuse so many of our politicians use.

This recent blog post outlines the experience of emigrating from the UK to Belgium:

infacts.org/one-time-expats-tale-control-free-movement/

How different might events have turned out had the UK adopted some of these policies?

Lohengrin My Belgian ID card costs €16, or thereabouts and lasts for 5 years I think.

@scary

Well...The project was costed at c 6bn in 2007 which is why all ALL olitical parties decided to abandon the proposed scheme. T May, as Home Secretary, took the decision describing the idea as an expensive assault on British values and freedoms. So not much room for manoeuvre there.

There are many cheap ID card systems but they attract fraud. Belgium already has the infrastructure in place. Also their scheme does not seem to have done much to protect them against either illegal immigration or terrorism.

everyone has NI cards

No, again, older people don't have NI cards. There was a time when you physically had a folded card which you gave in to your employer, but that was scrapped. I can't remember at what stage it was replaced by the plastic credit card size plastic one, but they weren't dished out to people already in the system. Older people if they are 60 ish might live for at least 30 years more, so there are quite a sizeable number of us.

I would also imagine that quite a number of the poorer members of society neither drive nor have passports.

Peru requires some sort of entry and exit visa - you fill in a two part form on entry and retain the second part to give in when you leave. As far as I am aware, they are not a totalitarian state.

I will tell you know

If gb introduces id cards, it will cost a fucking fortune to get one, will cost a fucking fortune to replace and you will need to jump through so many hoops re photos and information it will be untrue

I guaren-fucking-tee it

Can you tell i dont want one

Know now obviously

@Peregrina: Re Peru - what you are describing is a manual entry/exit RECORDING process. This is done by computer in developed countries. Nothing to do with an exit VISA which requires citizens wishing to leave their own country to seek permission to do so.

Voted leave, totally opposed to ID cards on a range of fronts, including (but not limited to) cost and efficacy.

On a point of factual pedantry, those saying they are ok with retinal scans are wrong. Retinal scans are very intrusive and uncomfortable. I suspect actual support is for iris recognition, which is different.

Thus one that any jumped-up petty official like a parking warden can demand you produce.
Which is basically why the war-time ones, which went on post-war, were scrapped, although in that case it was after a demand from a police officer. We still have DH's and my late DM's identity cards (kept as curiosities) - I haven't seen mine since about 1964 so I imagine it got chucked out at some time.

Wouldn't bother me. I wouldn't agree with having to have one on me at all times, but a bit like driving license would produce it at a police station within x number of days. Obviously if I was doing something official I would take it.

It it so, so easy for any administration to inform the populace as to why universal this or that can be justified.
You don't want terrorists? So endorse compulsory, always-carried ID cards!

This sort of thing is like the current money laundering and anti- terrorism rules. Going to a Solicitor relatively recently we had to take something to prove our ID. We didn't particularly mind - we hadn't been to that firm for about 30 years. But regular clients, who were well known to the staff still had to produce ID - which needless to say they found annoying or offensive even. And really, would a money launderer especially, not have access to fake ID? It seemed a worthy enough rule, but not properly thought through.

I used to be a bit against them tbh but I'm all for it now as a result of brexit, as it will annoy a lot of leavers