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How many leavers would support ID cards ?

172 replies

lurkinghusband · 19/01/2017 14:59

My spidey senses (especially with the NI discussion passim) are starting to pick up an "we would need ID cards post Brexit" whiff in the air.

(Since this is Brexit related, obviously no details are needed)

So if every person in the UK (snowflakes included) was required to carry an official ID card at all times and become a criminal if they don't (even if they forget) is that a price worth paying.

Every person - from birth ....

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SemiPermanent · 19/01/2017 18:54

How many people here are happy that they might be stopped - anytime, any place, and asked to show their ID card.

No problem.

And are subsequently prepared to spend time in a police cell, or paying the fine for NOT carrying one ?

Why would you not carry it if this was going to happen? Confused

Rockpebblestone · 19/01/2017 18:55

Quite obviously problematic. Victims of accidents, fires etc might genuinely be without ID. And how awful if ID were lost or stolen. But then I did not vote Brexit, so do my views count?

Some sort of fingerprint ID, retinal scan, DNA profile might be less hazardous, regarding it getting lost or stolen, although not completely without problems - cost quite a bit for all officials to have readers and injuries might mean fingerprints or retinas were damaged.

I really don't know why we cannot just concentrate more on rigid boarder controls, if need be, rather than a million 'spot checks'.

Bobochic · 19/01/2017 18:57

I do not mind carrying ID (I live in France) one little bit.

trinketsofgold · 19/01/2017 18:58

Yes I imagine the police have all the time and cell capacity to lock up everyone who hasn't got their physical ID card on them.

Stop being a drama queen

Rockpebblestone · 19/01/2017 18:58

And I really hate the phrase 'snowflakes included'. People with genuine impairments and disabilities which might affect their ability to remember ID should not be described as 'snowflakes'. Someone with dementia could be up for a very distressing time, for example.

AllTheLight · 19/01/2017 19:00

I'm a Remain voter, but I would have no problem with ID cards. The inconvenience caused to innocent people is IMO outweighed if they have the effect of reducing crime.

ThroughThickAndThin01 · 19/01/2017 19:02

I wouldn't have a problem with your scenario OP.

Rockpebblestone · 19/01/2017 19:08

A lot of serious crimes are senseless, anyway, so I cannot see ID cards preventing them. A whole black market for fake ID cards is easily foreseeable too...

SexTrainGlue · 19/01/2017 19:14

"How many people here are happy that they might be stopped - anytime, any place, and asked to show their ID card. And are subsequently prepared to spend time in a police cell, or paying the fine for NOT carrying one ?"

What on earth has this do with Brexit?

Never introduced when EU pressuring to to do so. Not achieved by Blair (only administration that was keen on them, plus of course either totalitarian things like illegal content orders).

No sign, other than wild imaginings on this thread, that they are coming now.

RortyCrankle · 19/01/2017 19:15

lurkinghusband
Which would you detest more ? ID cards, or UK membership of the EU?

How many people here are happy that they might be stopped - anytime, any place, and asked to show their ID card. And are subsequently prepared to spend time in a police cell, or paying the fine for NOT carrying one ?

UK membership of the EU will no longer be a problem - we are leaving it. I have already said I do not support nor will I carry an ID card.

If you are talking about the police stopping people - I thought they could already do that if they had sufficient suspicion of eg, drugs or immigration status or other issues.

Yes, I am prepared to spend time in a cell and/or pay a fine for NOT carrying an ID card. If a 70+ year old disabled woman without an ID card is their most heinous criminal, then so be it.

Peregrina · 19/01/2017 19:16

The war time identity cards carried on after the war. Mine has now been lost but DH still has his in the drawer, kept for curiosities sake. The problem came because people were being stopped and asked to produce them, for no good reason. A court case about this led to them being scrapped.

There had been good reasons during the war - partly the census data was well out of date, so there was a need to know for planning purposes and partly because of the huge movements of people.

RortyCrankle · 19/01/2017 19:22

Soooooooo true MoreThanUs Grin

CactusFred · 19/01/2017 19:25

I'd happily carry a card. Never understood the fuss against it.

Peregrina · 19/01/2017 19:27

A lot of serious crimes are senseless, anyway, so I cannot see ID cards preventing them.

Regardless of whether they are senseless, they won't stop crime and will cause unnecessary inconvenience at times. We had to produce our passports when consulting our solicitor back in 2010, due to some law or other, I think about money laundering. It didn't affect us, our previous solicitor had retired so we didn't know the new person. She said it caused considerable offence to people who had regular dealings with the firm over the years and were known personally. You have to ask, how would it have stopped crime? There would be a black market in forged/fake passports.

Peregrina · 19/01/2017 19:29

I think it's that the system is potentially open to abuse. Who is more likely to be stopped - the young black lad from a London estate, or nice middle class woman like me?

Rockpebblestone · 19/01/2017 19:32

Or they could just 'chip' us all, like people's dogs...

SallyGinnamon · 19/01/2017 19:35

Remainer who has no problem with ID cards.

I think plenty of countries have them and I haven't heard anything about prisons being stuffed full of people who forgot them or left them at home. If lost apply for a new one like with photo driving licence.

If the card showed National Insurance number etc it could also prove if entitled to use Healthcare Services in non emergency situations.

EagleIsland · 19/01/2017 19:39

If you have a driving license then you basically have a ID card already.

Peregrina · 19/01/2017 19:44

if entitled to use Healthcare Services in non emergency situations.

And which of us do you think would be asked to show it? Me, a grey haired woman or my mixed race daughter in law?

Peregrina · 19/01/2017 19:50

For the NHS we used to have a card. I still do, with the old number on. If they have stopped issuing them now, the obvious thing would be to re-issue them. It gave name, address and GP.

Peregrina · 19/01/2017 19:51

I should have added that the number on the wartime ID card became your NHS number when that came in.

IsadoraQuagmire · 19/01/2017 19:52

I think they're a good idea, I see no problem with it at all. You're often asked for ID and not everyone has a passport or driving licence.

Natsku · 19/01/2017 19:55

And which of us do you think would be asked to show it? Me, a grey haired woman or my mixed race daughter in law?

Both of you. I live in a European country that requires people to present their personal identity number (don't have to present a picture ID always, but the number is always needed) to access any service such as health services, welfare services, shopping online etc. and everyone has to show it (or type it when buying online, or give it over the phone) no matter whether they 'look native' or not. Its easy, its simple, and it keeps track of people (which helps immensely with tracking down absconded criminals and parents that refuse to pay child support).

I voted Remain (UK citizen although living abroad) but would absolutely support ID cards, but not being arrested for not carrying one but to be honest, you're never going to be arrested for not carrying your ID card unless you are suspected of committing a crime but there isn't enough just cause to arrest you for it yet

SemiPermanent · 19/01/2017 19:55

think it's that the system is potentially open to abuse. Who is more likely to be stopped - the young black lad from a London estate, or nice middle class woman like me?

Agree Peregrina, although I personally would have no problem carrying one (as described in the op) I am not of a demographic likely to be targeted for checks.

PotatoWaffleCob · 19/01/2017 19:57

I'm ok with carrying an ID card. If the powers that be want to scan my retinas or take my finger prints for a digitally stored ID then I'm ok with that. I really don't care. They can read my emails and bug my phone if they like. I'm verypretty boring.

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