How many leavers would support ID cards ?

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My spidey senses (especially with the NI discussion passim) are starting to pick up an "we would need ID cards post Brexit" whiff in the air.

(Since this is Brexit related, obviously no details are needed)

So if every person in the UK (snowflakes included) was required to carry an official ID card at all times and become a criminal if they don't (even if they forget) is that a price worth paying.

Every person - from birth ....

I don't have a problem with them. OP please link to your source on this, it's coming across as nothing more than hysterical musings at the moment.

Ooh would it come with a Lanyard

Very patronising post OP (plus I think I can see where you are going with this). Unless I have missed something, I don't recall this being mentioned in the last 7 months so not really Brexit related at all - what a drama llama.

Drama llama

It could be a small token, with a biometric chip in it, so could go on your keys like a trolley token. WAIT!! They could BE the same size as trolley tokens, thus being dual use.

Remainer here, who actually thinks that ID cards are practically the least of our issues, given that our phones track us wherever we are and we are regularly caught on cctv.

Hunted on Channel 4 was a pretty instructive programme on the issue of privacy. The government is all in favour of even less personal privacy of course, the most obvious example of this being the Snoopers Charter.

This is all relatively benign if we live under a liberal regime. But can we presume that the UK will never be more repressive? What if we were to elect our own version of Trump, Erdogan or even Putin?

We might be able to track you by phone StripeyMonkey1 but you would have trouble tracking me. My mobile cost me £15 is PAYG, no contract - I last topped it up with £10 when I was in hospital two years ago and it's been languishing uncharged at the bottom of my handbag for the past month or so but I wish you happy tracking

Voted remain

Would be pissed off at having to carry an ID card

Really pissed off

Actually it was the last Labour government that was so keen on ID cards. The Tories dropped the idea when they got into power in 2010 because it was so unpopular.

It was the single reason that I vowed never to vote Labour again

This is all relatively benign if we live under a liberal regime. But can we presume that the UK will never be more repressive? What if we were to elect our own version of Trump, Erdogan or even Putin?

Or, Theresa May, whose government recently proposed that people not born in Britain should be reported and tracked. This is the key point for me. An ID card in Scandinavia, or Belgium or the Netherlands, fine. An ID card in Britain in a context of civil liberties being steadily eroded has me worried. We are already the most tracked society in Europe thanks to CCTV, european ID cards notwithstanding, and there have been attempts to bring in ridiculously ignorant IT laws. How long before we start seeing the race conflicts in the US in London?

I don't think biometric data is currently up to the claims made for it either, e.g. fingerprints are not actually proven unique. I dislike that being included in ID.

I would also like to know what the sources of this rumour are.

You have a bank card Rorty perhaps? Loyalty cards? A computer that you are on now? All trackable

The point of the ID card is not to track you, it's to bring all the data about you together.

For example, a lot of the information about about you might have a common element, your postcode, for example. So when a company buys a pile of customer records, they can link together the date via postcode. But that doesn't account for those who have moved / have given an incorrect postcode etc. So they try to link by another data item, Date of Birth, for example/ There are many ways to link disparate information, but the easiest way is to have one common identity number throughout your life. That would be a total record of everything about you. If that existed, companies would start asking for it, loyalty cards, insurance companies, even Facebook etc would all demand it, then there would be one massive record of your life.

I would not mind carrying an ID card. In fact it is a good idea if you are involved in a bad car accident or collapse or something like that. It could have medical information encrypted in it.

Then have the information encrypted on a medical card. There is no need for one universal card.

It's dangerous FFS.

We might be able to track you by phone StripeyMonkey1 but you would have trouble tracking me. My mobile cost me £15 is PAYG, no contract - I last topped it up with £10 when I was in hospital two years ago and it's been languishing uncharged at the bottom of my handbag for the past month or so but I wish you happy tracking

Rorty, you've got a 'burner phone' - like a SPY!!!

Oh my .. I lose my clock in card and gym card on a regular basis.. is be in prison within the month...

A fair few people carry ID as part of their work I.e. Work identity card with a picture.

Mine allows access to the building, printers etc

No big deal, I don't wear it but keep it handy if required

Jesus

We already carry national insurance cards so in effect we are already carrying ID.

No I wouldn't mind being stopped if checks were considered necessary. Maybe if you didn't have yor card it would be like having to show your driving license within 24 hours or whatever if is. Either way it would be great if if meant illegal folk could be spotted and dealt with more efficiently.

I never carry ID when in the UK. When on holiday in countries that require ID to be carried, it's a right pita having to remember to take my passport with me every single time I step outside!

I never carried an NI card. We older ones didn't. It was a piece of cardboard, which you gave into your employer, on which they stuck stamps. Then the physical sticking on of stamps stopped but what happened to the cards? I have no idea. My DCs have credit card sized plastic NI cards but DH and I were never issued with them.

No Moasty because it's not standard to share your NI number with non government agencies/companies. So most companies do not have this information

I'm not talking in some abstract. THIS is the key problem that data/marketing companies have, as well as some government agencies as they are so incompetent. They want a map of your lives. They need a common 'KEY'. That key is a national ID Number. Do you want to give it to them?

Why should 'illegal folk be dealt with'?
I know of one person who has overstayed his visa, so is now 'illegal'. Yet he's working, and paying taxes into this country, and as far as I can see, doing no harm to anyone. The sensible thing would be for them to offer an amnesty for people like him, so that he could regularise his residence position.