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Secondary schools are fucked, BOFFINS ADMIT

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noblegiraffe Fri 13-Nov-20 21:39:36

Latest ONS random sampling data shows that secondary school children in Y7-11 are now the age group with the highest infection rate in England, overtaking sixth form and university students.

In Wales "Schoolchildren are more likely to catch and spread coronavirus than previously thought, experts have warned... It was also discovered that while children were far more likely to be asymptomatic and not become seriously unwell, they were more likely to be the first positive case in any household."

English boffins are a bit slower on the uptake though
"SAGE’s report found that prevalence of Covid-19 in school-age children had “risen significantly” in the first wave, and that the rise in prevalence was “first visible around the time that schools reopened”.

However, it said that while this “may be indicative of a potential role for school opening, causation, including the extent to which transmission is occurring in schools, is unproven and difficult to establish”.

It must indeed be difficult to establish whether there's transmission in a high risk environment where kids are packed in like sardines with no mitigation measures. A real head-scratcher. Especially if you spent the whole summer insisting that it would be fine because the kids are facing forward.

What do we want? Well, one of the major teaching unions has called on the government to:

1. Demonstrate that they are following the scientific evidence and advice.
2. Strengthen the guidance to schools and colleges on ensuring COVID-safe and COVID-secure working practices.
3. Secure the updating and publication of health and safety risk assessments and equality impact assessments by school and college employers.
4. Publish weekly data on positive cases of COVID-19 infections of school/college staff and pupils by local government area
5. Ramp up inspection and enforcement measures in schools and colleges, including more comprehensive use of spot checks and visits by the Health and Safety Executive (HSE).
6. Take swift action to protect public health in the event of an outbreak.
7. Protect vulnerable teachers and support staff and pupils.
8. Strengthen the guidance to insist on effective social distancing in schools/colleges.
9. Establish a national plan for remote education/blended and distance learning.
10. Provide significant additional financial support for schools and colleges urgently to ensure the safety of staff and pupils, including extra funding for cleaning, personal protective equipment (PPE) and supply teachers

Oh OP I knew this would be you yadayada...yeah that's why I chose the same thread title as before etc etc.

Why do we need another thread blah blah: it's because secondary school kids are now infected at the highest rates in the country. This has implications for lockdown. How effective will it be if the most infected subset of the population are mixing freely? And it's also the first hint from scientists that they might have been wrong about exactly how safe schools are. There's also a strong suggestion that kids are bringing the virus home from school which parents should be aware of.

It's also causing chaos in schools, but there's another thread about that.

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FancySomeChips Fri 13-Nov-20 21:45:15

They’re fucked.
Back door herd immunity that won’t work.
Our kids as their guinea pigs.

PineappleUpsideDownCake Fri 13-Nov-20 21:48:45

Just seen it on BBC News and came to find the thread. Wow. Wonder what they will (or wont) do. Nothing they do (or dont do) surprises me at anymore.

noblegiraffe Fri 13-Nov-20 21:50:21

What? It was on the news? Like, the proper news??

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Isthatitnow Fri 13-Nov-20 21:52:11

It’s worrying for older and/or vulnerable staff and vulnerable young people. I am sure there have ready been, and will continue to be, unnecessary deaths. It is time to have a go at blended learning.

TheHoneyBadger Fri 13-Nov-20 21:52:59

Quelle surprise! Or, no shit Sherlock!

TheStripes Fri 13-Nov-20 21:53:32

What can they do? It’s another lockdown and all the implications involved, home education and all the problems involved, or continue as we are and the risks involved. 🤷🏻‍♀️

MrsHerculePoirot Fri 13-Nov-20 21:54:47

I mean, who could have predicted this?!?! Says no teacher or sane person since before June....

Dollybagwash Fri 13-Nov-20 21:54:48

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MrsHerculePoirot Fri 13-Nov-20 21:55:52


What can they do? It’s another lockdown and all the implications involved, home education and all the problems involved, or continue as we are and the risks involved. 🤷🏻‍♀️

Blended learning for older years in secondary.
Masks in classrooms.

Just to name a few suggestions...

RishiMcRichface Fri 13-Nov-20 21:57:53

Hmm what do they mean by releasing this report right now? Are they up to something?

CallmeAngelina Fri 13-Nov-20 21:59:25

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MrsHerculePoirot Fri 13-Nov-20 22:01:31


Hmm what do they mean by releasing this report right now? Are they up to something?

Isn't it released on a regular basis?!? I'm pretty sure this isn't a conspiracy....

MrsHamlet Fri 13-Nov-20 22:02:08

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monkeytennis97 Fri 13-Nov-20 22:02:46

@Dollybagwash daffodil Noble is one who cares, who has fought from the beginning to try to keep schools open, to stand up and shout about how OF COURSE schools will drive this bloody virus despite all the months of crap being thrown at her, other teaching colleagues, me. She has continuously supported colleagues including myself. You have got this one totally wrong,

grassisjeweled Fri 13-Nov-20 22:03:10

To the dogs

Whyarewehardofthinking Fri 13-Nov-20 22:04:08

@Dollybagwash do you not realise that noble and the rest of us are just wanting schools to be safe, for staff students and their families? And that somehow sickens you?

Before September we predicted this and begged for mitigations that would keep schools open consistently. Blended learning, which considering I've had over 40 positive students now with constant shutting of bubbles or classes, would have reduced the distribution, is what we want.

@noblegiraffe has done a superb job of bringing the data, the facts, to the front of the argument. I think you will find all levels of staff, including me as SLT and my own head, feel like we are running uphill covered in treacle trying to keep our staff, students and families safe.

Personally, I'm not overly concerned about catching it, you know. I worry for my vulnerable staff and students. We have had students lose family members, including a parent. Don't you think that we should do whatever we can to reduce the risk? Or should we keep the bereavement counsellor on staff permenantly and pay for that from our now non-existant budget?

WhyNotMe40 Fri 13-Nov-20 22:04:11

Well, who'd a thunk it eh? hmm

I teach in a tier 1 area.... We've got absences and X Covid codes all over the place. I can't think of a school that hasn't been affected locally. Some schools closed totally due to lack of staff (poorly with Covid).
Cases in the hospital have tripled in a week.

Exponential innit.

Why on earth we are not following bthe WHO advice on safe schools opening I have no idea .... Oh wait - what was it at the beginning? WHO advice doesn't apply to such a superior nation as ours, I hear them say?

Arrogant, corrupt arseholes...

CallmeAngelina Fri 13-Nov-20 22:04:24

@Dollybagwash, can you point to any of noble's posts, in the thread or any other, where she has peddled school closures?

WitchesBritchesPumpkinPants Fri 13-Nov-20 22:07:12

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ktp100 Fri 13-Nov-20 22:08:23

They need to get mass testing rolled out on a much larger scale because kids are superspreaders AND they are the category most likely to have either different symptoms to the three classic ones we've been told to look out for or to have no symptoms at all.

It's absolutely possible that schools are rife with asymptomatic kids, passing covid around schools and home to parents.

What's the point of closing shops when this shit is going on??!!

noblegiraffe Fri 13-Nov-20 22:08:26

I don’t think I’ve peddled blended learning either. I’d rather be in school with proper safety measures.

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StillGardening Fri 13-Nov-20 22:11:28

Lots of things about this worry me, but what makes me sad is that we have some kids Who are genuinely terrified about taking it home. Those with one parent, or with family members with health conditions. They don’t feel safe in school either, and feel it’s inevitable they will catch it.

I’m not sure we are doing right by those children (since the argument for keeping schools open seems to be that it is best for the students).

Blended learning would help

YellowPostItPad Fri 13-Nov-20 22:12:01

My local secondary school has had loads of cases with many staff and students off (hundreds self isolating) but there is absolutely nothing about it in the local media. It's weird.

LimeLemonOrange Fri 13-Nov-20 22:12:27

@Whyarewehardofthinking you describe it well, running uphill covered in treacle. My DH is a teacher and school life is so hard at the moment.

I have two secondary age DC as well.

I don't understand why the government or anyone else thought schools would be safe. It's surely the least safe environment of all?

Every parent and teacher knew pre Covid how difficult it is not to spread illnesses in schools.

Yes, education is important, but it feels like teachers and kids (and all the kids' parents) are being left to just catch the virus, no matter that it'll cause deaths and long term effects for the unlucky ones.

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