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Secondary schools are fucked, BOFFINS ADMIT

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noblegiraffe · 13/11/2020 21:39

Latest ONS random sampling data shows that secondary school children in Y7-11 are now the age group with the highest infection rate in England, overtaking sixth form and university students.

In Wales "Schoolchildren are more likely to catch and spread coronavirus than previously thought, experts have warned... It was also discovered that while children were far more likely to be asymptomatic and not become seriously unwell, they were more likely to be the first positive case in any household."

www.walesonline.co.uk/news/health/schoolchildren-more-likely-catch-spread-19275959?fbclid=IwAR0kpoikv0D_nkwHx3lVyQX_cyDj6Ycy1d6gE3aRx6syxUKzFQsYzMDSqPw

English boffins are a bit slower on the uptake though
"SAGE’s report found that prevalence of Covid-19 in school-age children had “risen significantly” in the first wave, and that the rise in prevalence was “first visible around the time that schools reopened”.

However, it said that while this “may be indicative of a potential role for school opening, causation, including the extent to which transmission is occurring in schools, is unproven and difficult to establish”.

schoolsweek.co.uk/child-infection-rate-rise-began-when-schools-reopened-but-direct-link-unproven-says-sage/

It must indeed be difficult to establish whether there's transmission in a high risk environment where kids are packed in like sardines with no mitigation measures. A real head-scratcher. Especially if you spent the whole summer insisting that it would be fine because the kids are facing forward.

What do we want? Well, one of the major teaching unions has called on the government to:

  1. Demonstrate that they are following the scientific evidence and advice.
  2. Strengthen the guidance to schools and colleges on ensuring COVID-safe and COVID-secure working practices.
  3. Secure the updating and publication of health and safety risk assessments and equality impact assessments by school and college employers.
  4. Publish weekly data on positive cases of COVID-19 infections of school/college staff and pupils by local government area
  5. Ramp up inspection and enforcement measures in schools and colleges, including more comprehensive use of spot checks and visits by the Health and Safety Executive (HSE).
  6. Take swift action to protect public health in the event of an outbreak.
  7. Protect vulnerable teachers and support staff and pupils.
  8. Strengthen the guidance to insist on effective social distancing in schools/colleges.
  9. Establish a national plan for remote education/blended and distance learning.
10. Provide significant additional financial support for schools and colleges urgently to ensure the safety of staff and pupils, including extra funding for cleaning, personal protective equipment (PPE) and supply teachers

www.nasuwt.org.uk/article-listing/plan-to-keep-schools-safe-during-pandemic.html

Oh OP I knew this would be you yadayada...yeah that's why I chose the same thread title as before etc etc.

Why do we need another thread blah blah: it's because secondary school kids are now infected at the highest rates in the country. This has implications for lockdown. How effective will it be if the most infected subset of the population are mixing freely? And it's also the first hint from scientists that they might have been wrong about exactly how safe schools are. There's also a strong suggestion that kids are bringing the virus home from school which parents should be aware of.

It's also causing chaos in schools, but there's another thread about that.

Secondary schools are fucked, BOFFINS ADMIT
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HakeCod · 16/11/2020 21:22

Schools are open @Ninbuscl because they are hugely important for the future prospects and therefore life expectancy of DC- particularly the worst off.COVID is not the only thing that matters in the world.

Interesting survey from Scotland (where schools are fully open as normal) that 70% of parents are happy with their DC’s back to school experience.

noblegiraffe · 16/11/2020 21:27

Yes, Hake, that’s why schools are open

Now explain why they are riddled with covid and kids are sent home all over the place and whether that’s acceptable.

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TheHoneyBadger · 16/11/2020 21:39

There goes the everything is awesome song 🎶

Fingers in your ears, la la la.

cantkeepawayforever · 16/11/2020 21:39

Hake, I know no parents, and no teachers, who wouldn't prefer schools to be fully open - SAFELY.

As the rapidly-increasing toll of schools fully or partially closed due to infections shows, schools are not open safely. We want there to be additional safety measures in place - why wouldn't every parent support this?

mrshoho · 16/11/2020 21:40

@HakeCod

Schools are open *@Ninbuscl* because they are hugely important for the future prospects and therefore life expectancy of DC- particularly the worst off.COVID is not the only thing that matters in the world.

Interesting survey from Scotland (where schools are fully open as normal) that 70% of parents are happy with their DC’s back to school experience.

Not hugely important enough for the government to put any money or effort in to keep them continually open though.
cantkeepawayforever · 16/11/2020 21:41

where schools are fully open as normal

Well, that depends what you mean by 'normal' - relative's school in Scotland has at least a full year group isolating...... and I'm sure it's not the only one....

TheEmojiFormerlyKnownAsPrince · 16/11/2020 21:43

Another case in my school today. 25 kids isolating on top of the 200 or so already isolating.

I’ve lost count now of how many cases since September. 20? 19?

HakeCod · 16/11/2020 21:43

@noblegiraffe

Now explain why they are riddled with covid and kids are sent home all over the place

That’s not what is happening on the ground at all. Only 4% of DC were absent for COVID- related reasons on the latest available day for which figures are available.

96% of DC not absent due to COVID is far better than 100% at home with schools closed or 50% off due to ‘blended’ learning.

cantkeepawayforever · 16/11/2020 21:45

That’s not what is happening on the ground at all. Only 4% of DC were absent for COVID- related reasons on the latest available day for which figures are available.

What date was that? The situation is developing rapidly. Last Friday, a school had 0 cases and 0 isolating. Today it had 270+ isolating....

HakeCod · 16/11/2020 21:45

@cantkeepawayforever

Again, this is not a picture at all backed up by the data. 99.6% of state schools are open to at least some pupils.

The average percentage of a secondary school roll asked to self-isolate is 3%.

noblegiraffe · 16/11/2020 21:46

Only 4% of DC were absent for COVID- related reasons

What’s interesting is that they have stopped reporting how many hundreds of thousands of pupils that represents, as they did in previous attendance reports.

I wonder why they did that.

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WhyNotMe40 · 16/11/2020 21:46

Old old old data

Appuskidu · 16/11/2020 21:47

[quote HakeCod]@noblegiraffe

Now explain why they are riddled with covid and kids are sent home all over the place

That’s not what is happening on the ground at all. Only 4% of DC were absent for COVID- related reasons on the latest available day for which figures are available.

96% of DC not absent due to COVID is far better than 100% at home with schools closed or 50% off due to ‘blended’ learning.[/quote]
My own kids have been sent home from school on separate occasions to self isolate for 14 days. When I log into the parent app, their attendance is shown as 100%. Those absences do not count apparently. I wonder why?

cantkeepawayforever · 16/11/2020 21:48

99.6% of state schools are open to at least some pupils.

Today?

And remember that this post was about SECONDARY schools - what percentage of secondary schools nationwide are fully open with no groups isolating?

Porcupineinwaiting · 16/11/2020 21:48

Tbf Hake you should also look at how many of the 96% are stuck in a learning resource centre or with some random supply teacher because their usual teachers are off sick. I'm glad my kids are in school but there is huge disruption due to staff absences.

monkeytennis97 · 16/11/2020 21:48

Ah yes just look at the data 'swan' gliding along beautifully. Meanwhile those of us who are flailing about as the legs under the water are drowning in this shitshow.

cantkeepawayforever · 16/11/2020 21:48

Those absences do not count apparently.

X code. Not counted as absence. Yet another example of the government trying to cover up the figures.....

cantkeepawayforever · 16/11/2020 21:50

A better question would be 'What percentage of secondary pupils have received their normal lessons, in school, with their normal teachers for every day this term?'

Barbie222 · 16/11/2020 21:51

99.6% of state schools are open to at least some pupils.

Is that you Boris?

That was true all the way through lockdown, too. Your figure means nothing. The stark fact is that the numbers of children who are currently having to be away from school are too high and they are rising. What is the best thing to do? Plan or shrug?

HakeCod · 16/11/2020 21:51

@noblegiraffe

They haven’t stopped reporting anything. 12,000 DC were isolating with a confirmed case of coronavirus. Only 8% of schools has more than 30 DC isolating.

Clearly these figures are not ideal but they are far preferable to every DC being out of school or schools only having 50% of DC in at once as some are calling for.

cantkeepawayforever · 16/11/2020 21:51

And what is the change in that statistic, day on day - ie, how many new pupils are disrupted for the first time on a daily basis?

cantkeepawayforever · 16/11/2020 21:53

12,000 DC were isolating with a confirmed case of coronavirus. Only 8% of schools has more than 30 DC isolating.

On what day?

And how many children were isolating as a result of pupils / teachers who had been tested positive, but were not positive themselves? Remember that each of your 12,000 can wipe out anything from 5 to a couple of hundred extra students.

HakeCod · 16/11/2020 21:53

Another key figure is that 84% of state schools did not have a single DC isolating as a result of contact with a COVID case on the day in question.

cantkeepawayforever · 16/11/2020 21:54

So 12,000 positive cases = at least 120,000 students out of school, probably more.

Hercwasonaroll · 16/11/2020 21:54

We have another 4 classes isolating as of today.

We had 7 external supply teachers in. Some classes had only one lesson today from their actual teacher. They may be "in school" but they certainly aren't being educated.