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Secondary schools are fucked, BOFFINS ADMIT

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noblegiraffe · 13/11/2020 21:39

Latest ONS random sampling data shows that secondary school children in Y7-11 are now the age group with the highest infection rate in England, overtaking sixth form and university students.

In Wales "Schoolchildren are more likely to catch and spread coronavirus than previously thought, experts have warned... It was also discovered that while children were far more likely to be asymptomatic and not become seriously unwell, they were more likely to be the first positive case in any household."

www.walesonline.co.uk/news/health/schoolchildren-more-likely-catch-spread-19275959?fbclid=IwAR0kpoikv0D_nkwHx3lVyQX_cyDj6Ycy1d6gE3aRx6syxUKzFQsYzMDSqPw

English boffins are a bit slower on the uptake though
"SAGE’s report found that prevalence of Covid-19 in school-age children had “risen significantly” in the first wave, and that the rise in prevalence was “first visible around the time that schools reopened”.

However, it said that while this “may be indicative of a potential role for school opening, causation, including the extent to which transmission is occurring in schools, is unproven and difficult to establish”.

schoolsweek.co.uk/child-infection-rate-rise-began-when-schools-reopened-but-direct-link-unproven-says-sage/

It must indeed be difficult to establish whether there's transmission in a high risk environment where kids are packed in like sardines with no mitigation measures. A real head-scratcher. Especially if you spent the whole summer insisting that it would be fine because the kids are facing forward.

What do we want? Well, one of the major teaching unions has called on the government to:

  1. Demonstrate that they are following the scientific evidence and advice.
  2. Strengthen the guidance to schools and colleges on ensuring COVID-safe and COVID-secure working practices.
  3. Secure the updating and publication of health and safety risk assessments and equality impact assessments by school and college employers.
  4. Publish weekly data on positive cases of COVID-19 infections of school/college staff and pupils by local government area
  5. Ramp up inspection and enforcement measures in schools and colleges, including more comprehensive use of spot checks and visits by the Health and Safety Executive (HSE).
  6. Take swift action to protect public health in the event of an outbreak.
  7. Protect vulnerable teachers and support staff and pupils.
  8. Strengthen the guidance to insist on effective social distancing in schools/colleges.
  9. Establish a national plan for remote education/blended and distance learning.
10. Provide significant additional financial support for schools and colleges urgently to ensure the safety of staff and pupils, including extra funding for cleaning, personal protective equipment (PPE) and supply teachers

www.nasuwt.org.uk/article-listing/plan-to-keep-schools-safe-during-pandemic.html

Oh OP I knew this would be you yadayada...yeah that's why I chose the same thread title as before etc etc.

Why do we need another thread blah blah: it's because secondary school kids are now infected at the highest rates in the country. This has implications for lockdown. How effective will it be if the most infected subset of the population are mixing freely? And it's also the first hint from scientists that they might have been wrong about exactly how safe schools are. There's also a strong suggestion that kids are bringing the virus home from school which parents should be aware of.

It's also causing chaos in schools, but there's another thread about that.

Secondary schools are fucked, BOFFINS ADMIT
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WhyNotMe40 · 13/11/2020 22:13

I've argued for blended learning on this topic. I don't think Noble has Grin

MadameBlobby · 13/11/2020 22:15

This is all really tedious. It is what it is. Kids catch and spread it, so what? They still need to go to school.

WhyNotMe40 · 13/11/2020 22:15

@StillGardening

Lots of things about this worry me, but what makes me sad is that we have some kids Who are genuinely terrified about taking it home. Those with one parent, or with family members with health conditions. They don’t feel safe in school either, and feel it’s inevitable they will catch it.

I’m not sure we are doing right by those children (since the argument for keeping schools open seems to be that it is best for the students).

Blended learning would help

This.

I've had kids flinching in lessons when other students have cleared their throats.
They are scared and anxious and jumpy. Can't learn if you don't feel safe.
And yet we do not permit them to wear masks on lessons due to the DfE guidance.

herecomesthsun · 13/11/2020 22:15

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SuiGeneris · 13/11/2020 22:18

@noblegiraffe how right you are- as usual.

Really don’t see why schools are supposed by this government to be immune from the contagion risks that are obvious elsewhere.

Whyarewehardofthinking · 13/11/2020 22:19

Sorry for tarring @noblegiraffe with the blended learning brush! It's the one thing we think will stop us completely closing so it is on my mind constantly. Having lost 7 of my 10 frees this week to cover and only having 1 actual dinner due to covering duties, I'm surprised I'm even awake right now Grin

starrynight19 · 13/11/2020 22:19

My local secondary school has had loads of cases with many staff and students off (hundreds self isolating) but there is absolutely nothing about it in the local media. It's weird.

Yes the same , it’s like no news outlet can report on problems in schools. Schools are closing due to not enough staff and there is zero info on any media outlet , crazy.

monkeytennis97 · 13/11/2020 22:20

I have argued for blended learning too.

@WhyNotMe40 I've had the same. Kids looking up at me with a scared look when someone starts coughing behind them.

WhyNotMe40 · 13/11/2020 22:20

@MadameBlobby

This is all really tedious. It is what it is. Kids catch and spread it, so what? They still need to go to school.
Kids need to be educated. No argument there. For most kids that happens best when in school. Again no argument. However, don't you think, that just for a short time, blended learning for older students would be good enough, to enable better social distancing, and so to help stop the chaos of in/out? Also we have no idea what the long term affects of this virus will be on children's fertility or lung function, or cardiac health etc. I think merrily letting them catch it is a huge gamble.
Juststopswimming · 13/11/2020 22:22

I absolutely knew who had started this thread before even reading it

WhyNotMe40 · 13/11/2020 22:22

@Juststopswimming

I absolutely knew who had started this thread before even reading it
House!
SuiGeneris · 13/11/2020 22:22

MadameBlobby

“This is all really tedious. It is what it is. Kids catch and spread it, so what? They still need to go to school.”

What do you think this is, a verruca? Nits? There are plenty of things that can and should be done to allow the children to stay in school without risking the lives of their families and teachers.

Because yes, some of us with “pre-existing conditions” would like to see our children grow up and our parents grow old. Sorry if that is too inconvenient for you.

monkeytennis97 · 13/11/2020 22:23

@Juststopswimming

I absolutely knew who had started this thread before even reading it
Probably because it is intentionally a similar title to a previous thread. Oh, and so?
SmellsLikeAHamsterCage · 13/11/2020 22:23

Instead of putting money into furlough they should be employing more teachers, or TAs overseen by teachers, erecting mobile classrooms, and making class sizes smaller. As well as staggering the school day, so that there are less children leaving/arriving at the same time (public transport). Even if that means the school day is shortened.

mrshoho · 13/11/2020 22:23

We said this all along. How these boffins can be surprised I just don't know. Another couple of weeks and cases and R will be rising again. Our blinkered government is still insisting GCSE's will go ahead as if there is nothing to worry about.

Whyarewehardofthinking · 13/11/2020 22:24

@MadameBlobby So what? We are running out of staff to actually teach them, that's the problem. Not to mention the adults in their lives catching it and becoming ill?

Tatapie · 13/11/2020 22:26

My kids school update us on any cases. They have also asked kids to wear masks in lessons from the beginning. State school. I don't know why others don't do it.
The kids are so anxious about bloody exams I wish they'd just cancel them now.

oldbagface · 13/11/2020 22:27

Sorry you had to put up with that shit @noble. I've found your posts and contributions extremely measured throughout this shit show. No need for that posters comments.

herecomesthsun · 13/11/2020 22:28

We are about to take DC2 out of school. Baffled as to why the fuck they are insisting my kids go in to fucking unsafe schools when they have told me to shield. I can't shield from my kids. There are cases in her class now. Fucking heartless incompetent bastards. Writing to my MP again tomorrow. When I am more sober. Thank you so much noble giraffe for persevering with this. Bastard Us 4 Them ghouls just fuck off.

Cherrysoup · 13/11/2020 22:29

What I find amazing, as a teacher in a secondary, is the absolute insistence on the 2 metre rule between staff. outing we were given a 2 metre ruler today and asked to double check the distance so we were aware of how much it is (patronising, much!). However, 30 students can sit shoulder to shoulder and talk to teachers, swap rooms as they move, we don’t. Utter bonkers.

Juststopswimming · 13/11/2020 22:30

Because the OP is like a broken record, desperate for schools to never reopen and now desperate for them to shut.

Kids spread covid, its hardly news is it?!

herecomesthsun · 13/11/2020 22:31

@MadameBlobby

This is all really tedious. It is what it is. Kids catch and spread it, so what? They still need to go to school.
you know what is tedious? Heartless people who are too ignorant to understand the real risk to families. Ignorant ignorant ignorant.
noblegiraffe · 13/11/2020 22:32

I'm so, so sorry you've been driven to do that, @herecomesthsun They could have done such a better job of things and kept your kids in school OR supported you in taking them out.

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herecomesthsun · 13/11/2020 22:32

@Juststopswimming

Because the OP is like a broken record, desperate for schools to never reopen and now desperate for them to shut.

Kids spread covid, its hardly news is it?!

you could alternately try reading for comprehension. If you can manage that,
CallmeAngelina · 13/11/2020 22:32

@Juststopswimming

Because the OP is like a broken record, desperate for schools to never reopen and now desperate for them to shut.

Kids spread covid, its hardly news is it?!

Can you really not comprehend the OP's point? As I asked another poster earlier, can you point to ONE post, on this thread or any other, where @noblegiraffe has advocated schools "never reopening" or now "shutting?" Just one will do.