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To be terrified that this is the future for the UK? (Sorry, yes it's a Brexit one)

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Rainbunny Tue 07-Nov-17 22:40:06

The US Commerce Secretary just made a speech in which he demands that the UK scrap EU food standards on GM crops and animal farming standards after Brexit. Even more sinister were his words indicating that the USA expects to have influence in whatever Brexit deal the UK makes... "He said that it was critical that US interests must be taken into account when finalising an exit deal with the EU..!"

This is exactly what I've been afraid of and it looks to be coming true and the UK as a lone country will not be able to refuse whatever trade deal the USA demands. I get that people who voted leave are still happy they did but is this what they want to have happen?

Paddybare Tue 07-Nov-17 22:45:48

YANBU, completely uncharted territory and who knows what we’ll have to concede to make a deal. Worrying times.

KennDodd Tue 07-Nov-17 22:50:55

Yanbu. It baffles me why anybody in the UK would think we're in a stronger negotiating position on our own than in a block of 27. No other country seems to share this view and they have made this very clear.

Katanna Tue 07-Nov-17 22:52:49

Yanbu, so much for "getting our Country back and sovereignty"
As the old saying goes 'be careful what you wish for'

PanGalaticGargleBlaster Tue 07-Nov-17 22:55:59

Everyday it looks increasingly like we are going to shit all over our cake and be forced to eat it.

KennDodd Tue 07-Nov-17 22:59:49

And apparently no country in the world trades on WTO rules alone.

Rufustherenegadereindeer1 Tue 07-Nov-17 23:01:48

Oh for fucks sake

Thats dreadful

Plus im going to have to read the whole speech

LaurieMarlow Tue 07-Nov-17 23:12:42

Well this is what brexiteers voted for. hmm I don't know how anyone can defend it as being in our best interests.

It's getting really worrying actually. No real progress on negotiations. May looking weaker than ever. The Tories driven by a group of committed euro haters who don't give a flying fuck if they sell this country up the river so long as they get their deluded way.

Crumbs1 Tue 07-Nov-17 23:16:24

Yes truly worrying. There are already signs of huge problems ahead.

Julie8008 Tue 07-Nov-17 23:20:40

OMG that's makes me change my mind, we have to reverse Brexit because it must be true.

SuperBeagle Tue 07-Nov-17 23:26:33

The UK is under no obligation to create a trade deal with the US. They can create smaller trade deals with European countries, Canada, Australia or New Zealand, if they choose to. Of course, whichever countries they choose to do trade with will have their own terms that they want agreed to, just as the UK will have theirs. That's the nature of a trade negotiation, isn't it?

Rainbunny Tue 07-Nov-17 23:30:48

Superbeagle - yes but that isn't what the Secretary of Commerce was demanding. He said very clearly that the USA demands to have input on the UK's Brexit deal with the EU to reflect USA interests. That's far more than just negotiating a trade deal between the UK and the USA.

SuperBeagle Tue 07-Nov-17 23:49:08

Perhaps I am reading something different than you, because as far as I can see, he is framing it in terms of a future agreement with the US. That is, if the UK wants to make the US its largest trading partner in the future, it is imperative that Washington's concerns are considered in the finalisation of the Brexit agreement.

Not just, "We demand to have a say in Brexit regardless of any future agreement with the US".

Holliewantstobehot Tue 07-Nov-17 23:55:37

I heard anything opinion on the radio (sorry can't remember who said it) that we will likely end up with less sovereignty after brexit as we will end up having to bow to the demands of the US and China. We can always say no of course but that would not leave us in a very good position. The size of the EU greatly increases it's bargaining power. Chlorinated chicken here we come.

Rainbunny Wed 08-Nov-17 01:18:28

Superbeagle - this is a direct quote from his speech

"“It is important that an eventual Brexit agreement takes into account our commercial interests, and does not hinder development of a closer post-Brexit US-UK relationship by continuing divergent standards and regulations and other protectionist measures...”

That seems pretty clear about the demand to scrap EU standards in favour of the USA to me and the greater context of the article makes that plain.

Doobigetta Wed 08-Nov-17 05:59:54

Oh look, yet another thing that was blindingly fucking obvious to anyone with half a braincell before the referendum. I'm so sick of this, and I just cannot be arsed pretending I respect that people voted Leave having fully considered all the implications. They didn't, they took the lazy option of believing the shit fed to them by the tabloids and the Murdoch press, and we're all bloody going to pay because they're now too proud and stubborn to admit what a fucking stupid idea it was.

mousemoose Wed 08-Nov-17 06:28:12

Precisely, doobi

PaintingByNumbers Wed 08-Nov-17 06:35:14

Yup Doobigetta

PrincessoftheSea Wed 08-Nov-17 06:40:38

YANBU but most Brexiters won't read the article or your post. They mostly have no clue what's going on.

Peregrina Wed 08-Nov-17 06:56:11

I can't understand why people want to sever links with a Union which we are a member of, and can take an active part in, for a one sided relationship with another Union which we have no say in. It's time the country got over the fact that parts of the USA were once British colonies.

AndhowcouldIeverrefuse Wed 08-Nov-17 06:59:43

It is important that an eventual Brexit agreement takes into account our commercial interests

Shocking barefaced interference by a foreign power. I don't know what has been said to Trump by Theresa and Boris for this expectation to be created in the US!

Actually the UK should aim for a Brexit agreement that is in the UK's best interest. Unfortunately it has become pretty obvious that our government is not doing what's best for the country.

Scabbersley Wed 08-Nov-17 07:01:54


The whole sorry mess saddens me so much I've had to bury my head in the sand for my own mental health

allegretto Wed 08-Nov-17 07:25:57

It baffles me why anybody in the UK would think we're in a stronger negotiating position on our own than in a block of 27.

Me too. You'd have thought they would have looked at a map, seen how small the UK is and thought "I think we'd have more bargaining power with that lot over the channel".

LakieLady Wed 08-Nov-17 07:30:58

Surely even the most ardent Brexiteer will be alarmed if throwing off the shackles of the EU just puts the UK in thrall to the US?

The loss of consumer and employee protection is one of the things that most horrifies me about Brexit.

CisCucumber Wed 08-Nov-17 07:34:23

A selling point of leaving was to reduce regulation
Why any average person would want to reduce regulation is beyond me. I think we need more regulation around housing and what can be built, stopping building for investment properties and so on
They want to rid us of food regulations, those pesky workers rights, maternity leave

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