OP YANBU.
I've just spent far too much time this morning (not working till 11.30 a.m.), mooching around the house, having a bath and reading items on We are the 48% - yes I'm a Remainer folks. It was encouraging to hear how many people are absolutely outraged on that forum by what is happening in Government atm and as a result who have changed their minds about Brexit. The sheer incompetence and dishonesty of those in power. Bumbling Boris compounding his growing number of Foreign Office faux pas and international insults by now getting that poor British woman another 5 years in an Iranian prison by mouthing incompetent falsehoods. Pritti Patel breaking the ministerial code of conduct right and centre with secret meetings with Israel about giving them British aid in the Golan Heights (against British policy) and lying umpteen times about having them without the government knowing. David Davis claiming there were 58 reports analysing how Brexit would affect the different UK industry sectors then it all turns out to be a big fat lie - there aren't any reports - either there are and he's covering up bad news, or there aren't any at all so why did he say there were - either way he has LIED to Parliament and to the country (if there's one thing I really hate and despise its liars), Fallon resigning over a number of sexual harrassment charges (I know Labour also - but they aren't in government or negotiating Brexit), Damien Greene - equal problems and allegations of misconduct...... these are the people ruling the country and negotiating Brexit. Don't get me started on Universal Credit, Food Banks, the NHS, Public Sector payrises, Grenfell Tower, running down our Armed Forces, the threats of Russia and Trump or the Paradise Papers. These people can't even govern the UK correctly - how the hll are they able to negotiate Brexit?
If we took Brexit out of the equation briefly - surely there should be a Vote of No Confidence in this government???? They are not able to competently do their job.
I know that is a scary thing to say, and most will want to say well this close to Brexit deadline better to stick with the devil you know and
'You are a Remainer Remoaner so you shouldn't speak, your view doesn't matter, blah blah blah', but look realistically at the people doing Brexit.
I admit I personally HATE Brexit with every fibre of my being and won't ever accept it because being European is as big a part of my identity as being British - note British not English, Welsh, Scots - I've lived in all three and we have Irish roots in the family back in the gene pool somewhere - I'm British.
But if I'm being logical and stepping back from my emotions and opinions, stepping back from personal political lines of the fact its a Tory government who to me appear to be pursuing policies that persecute the poor, the disabled, the mentally ill, underfund our schools, sixth forms, give our young people huge university debts as they start out on life, etc etc etc.....
Stepping back from that part of myself, logically and coolly looking at the government in power - they are in no fit condition to either govern the country, or to negotiate something as important to the lives of every single person in this country as Brexit.
Even if you want Brexit desperately, I cannot understand for an instant why anyone Remainer, ReLeaver or Leaver actually respects and trusts that this government is capable of bringing a properly organised Brexit about, or competently negotiating trade deals with other nations once we have left the EU that don't mean we sign our NHS, our industries, Animal Welfare, Food Standards, Environment etc etc away.
It was Canada that sorted out Bombardier not the UK government. Its Europe and China being driving partners to battle Climate Change. Its the US which stand alone outside the Paris Climate Accord, are antagonizing the situation with North Korea and Iran, and which are telling the Japanese PM to his face in front of the media that Japan has to come second behind US in any trade deals. These are the countries with the power at the moment - not the UK. We are in an incredibly weakened position at the moment to negotiate, in no small part because of the incompetent politicians that are running the country and responsible for driving Brexit through. How can any of us, whether we are Labour, Lib Dem, Tory or nothing, or whether we are for or against Brexit, actually trust them to get it sorted??
I'd personally prefer that Brexit did not happen in any shape or form. That's my ideal scenario obviously. But, if its to go ahead, I don't think our country or our Parliament is in any condition at the moment to navigate it.
These are not normal times. Its not just a bulk standard Conservative government that you either love or love to hate and will vote in or out at the next GE. These are genuinely incompetent people, many of whom are personally completely power hungry, happy to bypass Parliament, our Constitution and the the Courts wherever possible, many are privileged and personally rich enough that they won't feel the effects if the country goes tts up, seem to have no empathy with those not in positions of power or wealth, happy to lie to Parliament and the country - I could go on - but its the incompetency, lack of real meaningful organisation, lack of ability, weakness and dishonesty that is really frightening.
I know it conveniently plays into me being a Remainer against Brexit, but if I put that aside, I genuinely really do think Brexit needs to be stopped. There should be a Vote of No Confidence in the government and we need to stop Brexit because I don't think this government can negotiate Brexit and I don't think they are capable of dealing with either the mess I think it will be once we've left, or negotiate trade deals if it all smells of roses like Leavers keep saying.
Once the dust settles and we've stabilized the country, then any new government should investigate Brexit with real concrete facts and information about what Brexit will do to and for the country. Then with real information, facts and figures come back and hold a second referendum and take it from there. If it were to come back the same - Leave - then I hope whoever is in government actually does it properly without all the stupidity of throwing negotiating advantages away by instantly triggering Article 50 without any proper plan or strategy.
That's what I truely think once you take all the arguing, recriminations and passion out of the Brexit debate. At the moment I feel like one of the passengers on the Titanic that is Brexit. You know the people in cattle class who were shut and locked away by the crew to go down with the ship so the rich and privileged had a chance at the life boats.
