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Called to HR for behaviour at an after-work event. Thoughts, please...

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DrLoveHandles · Yesterday 14:17

Name changed because this is potentially outing.

I was at an after-work reception last week. There was mingling. I mingled into a group of four colleagues. All were holding wine. I was holding orange juice.

One of the colleagues - different department, never met him before - asked "Why aren't you drinking?"
I kind of waved my hand, said "Oh, you know, reasons" and laughed. I believe this made it clear I didn't want to discuss the matter without making things awkward.
The guy then said "Intriguing, like what reasons?"

I saw red. I basically listed all the reasons why someone mightn't be drinking alcohol and told him it was inappropriate to ask. I didn't shout or swear and I wasn't overtly aggressive. But my tone was patronising and I took a very forthright kind of stance (unblinking eye contact, standing at full height, no smiles etc.). I didn't give him time to reply, I excused myself from the group and went home shortly afterwards.

Today I got an email from my line manager asking me for a meeting with her and HR people to discuss what went on. Apparently, its a matter of unprofessional behaviour.

I'm not in a union.

I've never had any dealings with HR before. I'd be really grateful to hear anyone's thoughts on this situation. I mean anything - what might happen? What I should do to prepare etc?

OP posts:
SewYellowLikeButter · Yesterday 17:22

latetothefisting · Yesterday 15:05

But what if she doesnt have to drive later?

Not only should she not have to lie to answer a question that he shouldn't have asked in the first place but if he then sees her getting the train or she was having a lift with one of the other colleagues it will just raise more questions and either make her look like a fibber or as if she has something to hide! Not to mention it errs on judgement given at least some of the people there were also probably going to drive (but thought that one glass would be fine).

Same with the suggestion about antibiotics that another poster made. While OP could have potentially answered in a way that was less likely to invite responses (I.e.just shrugged or "because I'm not") ultimately it shouldn't be on her to make up a reason because he should never have asked the question to begin with, and then should have taken the hint the first time she gave him a non-answer.

The more I think about it the more im annoyed on your behalf OP. The original issue is annoying but excusable - after work mingling can be awkward, perhaps he thought he was bantering and said something that was a bit silly.

But if it is him that has reported you to HR that is so utterly pathetic and ridiculous it would be that that escalated the whole thing for me.

In fact Id probably go in assuming that the inappropriate behaviour complained about was someone complaining about him and be all "well personally I wouldn't have escalated it to HR but Im glad someone else agrees his question was deeply inappropriate."

then if it turns out it is him complaining about you would really query that - might even talk about making a contra- complaint about a man trying to bully a woman into being compliant by making a formal complaint just because she wasnt nice to him. It would obviously be a completely different scenario if you had been rude or aggressive or whatever but to escalate to HR just because someone was a bit forthright with you is in itself inappropriate behaviour for a professional!

You’re over thinking it. She could have to pick her mum up from the airport at midnight. He has no idea, nobody would think her a liar for saying she was driving later.

As a sober person I usually just say ‘it’s very bad for you’ with a prim look to annoy them.

LillyPeaceFlowerSun · Yesterday 17:22

DrLoveHandles · Yesterday 14:25

My thoughts exactly.

And if it was a male colleague would he have pushed it in the first place and would he have made the complaint?. He felt shame and his ego was bruised so he shifted to blaming you. Really obvious.

Also, this is a bit like when meat eaters challenge a vegetarian on their reasons for not eating meat. Drinkers often push non drinkers for a reason. I think it’s because it makes them uncomfortable because they feel it’s a comment on their choices.

However, I don’t think this is a hill to die on if you like the job. Just say clearly that you found the question intrusive, and you are sorry if your response upset him in anyway. (And in your head only think ‘poor little delicate flower that he is).

AMurderofMurderingCrows · Yesterday 17:23

newberry · Yesterday 16:54

Tbh I think your answer almost invites follow up. It's a bit cryptic. In future I'd just say something like "I don't like the taste of alcohol" or "I don't like how it makes me feel" or "even a small amount disagrees with my stomach".

I mean he should've got the hint all the same, and it was extra shitty that he then reported you (assuming it was him), but you were still more in the wrong than him in the moment for your massive overreaction.

Her answer 'invited' a follow up question? Do you honestly believe that when the question should never have been asked. It's none of his damn business why OP wasn't drinking alcohol.

OliveMyLove · Yesterday 17:23

ABoldStatement · Yesterday 17:21

You agree with me but yet you seem to have missed one of my main points, we do NOT know whether he was whinging and was the person to report it to HR.

If he wasn’t, whomever did should be told to mind their own business.

HR have enough to do without this playground like behavior.

grinandslothit · Yesterday 17:24

Unless there were more witnesses I would just deny it all

LizandDerekGoals · Yesterday 17:24

DrLoveHandles · Yesterday 14:40

I'm not sure. It's possible.

My line manager said "Unprofessional behaviour" in a general sense rather than "Your unprofessional behaviour".

Complain to HR about his inappropriate MEDICAL question.

Belmondo · Yesterday 17:24

Haven't RTFRT but will die on the hill that you did nothing wrong here OP!! Hold the line.

trainkeepsgoing · Yesterday 17:25

Doesn’t sound like you’ve done anything wrong and responded appropriately to an inappropriate question. If it happened as you said it did I would hope the guy will be given some feedback and come away from the situation embarrassed for making a fuss. Not drinking nowadays is not unusual, especially at a work event. Please update the thread after the meeting OP!
And agree with PP, make sure you describe yourself as being clear and direct, not patronising etc!

ABoldStatement · Yesterday 17:25

OliveMyLove · Yesterday 17:23

If he wasn’t, whomever did should be told to mind their own business.

HR have enough to do without this playground like behavior.

Edited

But the person who reported it (if it wasn't the man himself) may have thought there was more to it than there was. They may have thought the OP was really upset - especially since she walked off after "seeing red" - and thought he must have really offended her. We don't know!

OliveMyLove · Yesterday 17:25

grinandslothit · Yesterday 17:24

Unless there were more witnesses I would just deny it all

I wouldn’t deny it but would just say “I’m sorry if I upset him. I just shared the reasons some people don’t choose to drink, particularly at work events.”

DiscoRaspberry · Yesterday 17:25

This nosey git should mind his business, if you don't want to drink you don't have to justify yourself to anyone, as for unprofessional it was outside the workplace

5MinuteArgument · Yesterday 17:25

I think the OP behaved like a brat. People who hurl around accusations of inappropriate behaviour are like the boy that cried wolf.

KeepPumping · Yesterday 17:26

ABoldStatement · Yesterday 17:15

There's a lot of emotive guff on here that isn't helpful to the OP. She shouldn't be whipped into a sate of indigent frenzy, or one or feeling crap about herself.

FWIW I'm an employment lawyer and there are so many variables that are unknown at the moment:

  • we do not know if the HR investigation is primarily about the OP's behaviour. Someone who witnessed the incident may have reported him and the OP may be a witness.
  • we do not know that the man concerned reported the incident. The OP put a man in his place in a way she describes as "patronisingly" and then walked off; anyone witnessing that may have thought she was either out of order, or upset after being insulted, or both.
  • we do not know whether he is an egotistical arsehole wanting to put women down or whether he just asked what reasons without thinking, or even if he's autistic and so took the OP literally when she said 'many reasons' and asked 'what reasons'.

It's for HR to ask him why he said that and tell him it's not appropriate to ask that particular question, and to question the OP about how she reacted to determine whether they think it was appropriate or not.

"It's for HR to ask him why he said that and tell him it's not appropriate to ask that particular question"

I doubt many serious companies who are likely to remain solvent in the future will be directing much energy at that question regarding a glass of orange juice at a works drinks party, the clue is in the name, it is a "drinks" party, on the other hand serious companies who take employee conduct seriously would probably be taking a look at why someone lost it over that particular comment. If the OP has issues around alcohol that they don"t want to discuss they shouldn"t give leading mysterious answers to drink questions, they should shut it down at the start by just saying that they don"t drink, if pushed tell the red wine at a party when 14 story bla bla and move on.

OliveMyLove · Yesterday 17:27

ABoldStatement · Yesterday 17:25

But the person who reported it (if it wasn't the man himself) may have thought there was more to it than there was. They may have thought the OP was really upset - especially since she walked off after "seeing red" - and thought he must have really offended her. We don't know!

And so what? Not everything can be fixed when it comes to how people interact.

ABoldStatement · Yesterday 17:28

KeepPumping · Yesterday 17:26

"It's for HR to ask him why he said that and tell him it's not appropriate to ask that particular question"

I doubt many serious companies who are likely to remain solvent in the future will be directing much energy at that question regarding a glass of orange juice at a works drinks party, the clue is in the name, it is a "drinks" party, on the other hand serious companies who take employee conduct seriously would probably be taking a look at why someone lost it over that particular comment. If the OP has issues around alcohol that they don"t want to discuss they shouldn"t give leading mysterious answers to drink questions, they should shut it down at the start by just saying that they don"t drink, if pushed tell the red wine at a party when 14 story bla bla and move on.

Did you not read the rest of my post?!

I said it was up to HR to also decide if the OP had acted inappropriately.

I don't think it's an appropriate question to ask but as I wrote, there are various reasons why he may have said that, some with no ill-intent.

WhyCantISayFork · Yesterday 17:29

I wonder if he went to HR because he thought you might go to HR following your reaction?

Triskellion75 · Yesterday 17:29

Either he's the one who's made the complaint in which case I'd be making damn sure it backfired, or someone has overheard and complained about him, not you.

I don't drink myself, for plenty of 'reasons' and most of them aren't particularly nice. He should have had the sense to shut it after asking the first time.

LillyPeaceFlowerSun · Yesterday 17:29

DrLoveHandles · Yesterday 14:42

I didn't swear. I didn't raise my voice. I wasn't abusive. I wasn't aggressive.

I was 'forthright' in my stance and body language. I stood with my feet apart, shoulders squared, I made and maintained full eye contact, I didn't smile.

I spoke slowly and patronisingly.

God forbid a woman should communicate forthrightly! Honestly. Did you not get the memo? As a woman your only job is to not make things uncomfortable. What you should have done, of course, was put your own discomfort and boundaries to one side, smile and make him feel comfortable with his choice to push you on something personal. And god, what right do you have to privacy?!! He’s a man and if he asks you a question answer it. Don’t be clear, assertive and point out why he may need to adjust his communication. HIS comfort comes first. Woman, know your place!!

Isobel201 · Yesterday 17:30

its none of his business, and I can't believe he's reported you for that, but I think a simple 'I don't drink' would have sufficed and changed the subject.

ABoldStatement · Yesterday 17:30

OliveMyLove · Yesterday 17:27

And so what? Not everything can be fixed when it comes to how people interact.

I'm patently not saying everything can be fixed.

I'm saying that HR has a duty to investigate something that is reported to them, and in this case, the person reporting may have lead HR to believe it was a bigger thing than it was.

wacademia · Yesterday 17:30

5MinuteArgument · Yesterday 17:25

I think the OP behaved like a brat. People who hurl around accusations of inappropriate behaviour are like the boy that cried wolf.

It's not OP who's gone running to HR accusing people of inappropriate behaviour.

Waterbaby41 · Yesterday 17:30

DrLoveHandles · Yesterday 14:42

I didn't swear. I didn't raise my voice. I wasn't abusive. I wasn't aggressive.

I was 'forthright' in my stance and body language. I stood with my feet apart, shoulders squared, I made and maintained full eye contact, I didn't smile.

I spoke slowly and patronisingly.

Which is why someone - as yet unknown - has informed HR.

LillyPeaceFlowerSun · Yesterday 17:30

WhyCantISayFork · Yesterday 17:29

I wonder if he went to HR because he thought you might go to HR following your reaction?

Oh yes. That’s possibly true.

MerryQuail · Yesterday 17:30

I really can’t believe people even care one iota if someone else is drinking or not to the point of asking and then press the point when they have already responded. What an utterly boring conversation to have. Unsure why this guy was so invested.

MsPrufrockk · Yesterday 17:31

DrLoveHandles · Yesterday 14:38

@canklesmctacotits
If not, this is a man not getting what he wanted and expected from a woman, leaving him humiliated in front of other people. In which chase it should be him running to HR.

That sums up what I suspect has happened so well, thank you.

Please put in your own complaint about his inappropriate questioning of you when you'd already answered!

Ugh, what a sad little man.