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Called to HR for behaviour at an after-work event. Thoughts, please...

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DrLoveHandles · Yesterday 14:17

Name changed because this is potentially outing.

I was at an after-work reception last week. There was mingling. I mingled into a group of four colleagues. All were holding wine. I was holding orange juice.

One of the colleagues - different department, never met him before - asked "Why aren't you drinking?"
I kind of waved my hand, said "Oh, you know, reasons" and laughed. I believe this made it clear I didn't want to discuss the matter without making things awkward.
The guy then said "Intriguing, like what reasons?"

I saw red. I basically listed all the reasons why someone mightn't be drinking alcohol and told him it was inappropriate to ask. I didn't shout or swear and I wasn't overtly aggressive. But my tone was patronising and I took a very forthright kind of stance (unblinking eye contact, standing at full height, no smiles etc.). I didn't give him time to reply, I excused myself from the group and went home shortly afterwards.

Today I got an email from my line manager asking me for a meeting with her and HR people to discuss what went on. Apparently, its a matter of unprofessional behaviour.

I'm not in a union.

I've never had any dealings with HR before. I'd be really grateful to hear anyone's thoughts on this situation. I mean anything - what might happen? What I should do to prepare etc?

OP posts:
KrazyKatty · Yesterday 17:01

Retired HE person here. I can clearly picture his type!
I wonder whether he also perches on the edge of someone’s desk and gets in their face when they’re trying to work?
Absolute wanker.

Tell HR what was said then add that your darling relative (mother, father, brother, partner…), died a long slow death from complications related to alcoholism and that any intrusive discussions around drinking becomes a significant trigger for you which detrimentally affects your mental health.

Obviously, you tried to deflect and put him off kindly but he was like a dog with a bone and it stirred up lots of painful memories. Then stare at him/her balefully with a Daily Mail sad face. 😂

wacademia · Yesterday 17:01

DraigCymraeg · Yesterday 16:59

Oh for crying out loud, calm down.

You are the male colleague OP is complaining about and I claim my £10.

notacooldad · Yesterday 17:02

People don't ask why someone has ordered a vegetarian meal instead of beef , or lamb instead of seafood
They bloody well do ( speaking from 30 years experience)

KeepPumping · Yesterday 17:02

Vulturesoverhead · Yesterday 16:58

I’d go in assuming ‘he’ is the problem and be aghast if they say it’s you. He’s a twat

Really? That will go down like a lead balloon, they will be looking for an acceptance that the OP was completely out of order IMO, usually people need a few drinks at work things to act like that!

Livelovebehappy · Yesterday 17:03

DrLoveHandles · Yesterday 16:56

Why on earth would I downplay what happened?

I want people's thoughts on the situation so what's to be gained from me lying about the situation?

I've been pretty open about where my behaviour wasn't ideal.

Because generally, when people are repeating details of a situation which shines a light on poor behaviour, they will downplay their own role, because in their mind that’s what happened, or that’s the version they want to believe happened. But then if other people were asked what happened, their recollection may be entirely different in how your response was delivered. You said you were patronising, but didn’t feel you were aggressive. You may not have thought you were being aggressive, but it’s how you were perceived by others.

BinturongsSmellOfPopcorn · Yesterday 17:04

TheOliveWriter · Yesterday 16:59

Sorry, the patronising smile was clearly not a strong enough hint. Absolutely not meant to be ingratiating at all, but firmly and politely, and in front of others, close it down, perhaps a steely smile is what I meant. Just so the other person, if they have a brain cell and some social skills appreciates the inappropriate nature of what they just said.

Men are poor at reading expressions. Many take any type of smile as 'friendly invitation/flirtatious'. Not smiling is clearest.

PetulaGordeno · Yesterday 17:04

I don’t think ANYONE should have to explain why they don’t want to drink alcohol in 2026.
Those of who don’t have still felt uncomfortable giving any answer.
We don’t ask people why they drink alcohol.
Are you an alcoholic? Alcohol dependant? More fun when drunk because you are a boring bastard when sober? No, we tend not to and yes those responses might seem sarcastic.
OP or anyone else answering may be in recovery. They may have just come from an AA meeting. They may have been date raped when drunk. They may have an abusive drunken partner. The list is endless and can be complex. They may be driving, or on antibiotics.
I think it’s intrusive because the answer may reveal far more than the person being questioned wants to reveal.
And I would happily tell someone in HR I felt pressured by this man and stood my ground.

StarCourt · Yesterday 17:04

I would insist on a meeting agenda beforehand , I wouldn’t be going in unprepared.

Moreholidaysthanjudithchalmers · Yesterday 17:04

From OP’s version of events I’d wonder if it was one of the colleagues at the networking event that had raised it with HR you can’t assume it was him.
Op confirms she spoke to her colleague in a slow and patronising tone. She says forthright body language, I can see how another interpretation could be aggressive.
I’d write down your version of events and go to meeting with an open mind.
I’d also join a union I’m surprised you aren’t in one.

DraigCymraeg · Yesterday 17:04

OliveMyLove · Yesterday 17:00

It wasn’t a simple question. It was a personal question and it made her uncomfortable. He pressed when she declined to answer. She didn’t punch him, just educated him about why he shouldn’t be asking and demanding an answer.

Are you serious?
Oh dear God, heaven help us.

Livelovebehappy · Yesterday 17:05

DrLoveHandles · Yesterday 16:56

Why on earth would I downplay what happened?

I want people's thoughts on the situation so what's to be gained from me lying about the situation?

I've been pretty open about where my behaviour wasn't ideal.

Removed - duplicate.

wacademia · Yesterday 17:05

DraigCymraeg · Yesterday 16:59

Oh for crying out loud, calm down.

Read again what you are replying to and tell me exactly where the poster you are replying to wasn't calm?

You told someone who stated clearly their opinion, without any agitation, to calm down. You're tone-policing because you don't have a valid counter-argument.

KeepPumping · Yesterday 17:05

wacademia · Yesterday 17:01

You are the male colleague OP is complaining about and I claim my £10.

If a woman asked the OP the same would she still have gone into the Power Ranger act?

OliveMyLove · Yesterday 17:07

DraigCymraeg · Yesterday 17:04

Are you serious?
Oh dear God, heaven help us.

Well, heaven help you, I guess.

EgregiouslyOverdressed · Yesterday 17:07

Unless I’ve missed something, OP hasn’t been explicitly told that the unprofessional behaviour was on her part. It’s entirely possible that the complaint came from a third party and is regarding the man’s questions (which were intrusive, despite that fact that multiple pp can’t grasp this).

HollyhocksandPeons · Yesterday 17:07

I think manners should be taught in school, from reception, to everyone. Good old British manners.

Littlegreywolfcub · Yesterday 17:07

Tatenk · Yesterday 14:43

I would make clear to HR that you were responding to a persistent inappropriate question. Sounds like there was fault on both sides but I don’t think it’s fair if this goes on your record and not on his.

I don't get why the Op was inappropriate by reciting a list of why people don't drink?

If someone is an ex alcoholic or they're only just pregnant - they may not want to share that with a work colleague. He was bang out of order pressing for answers and the OP was sarcastic back to him.

Boo hoo ! Poor baby had to report to HR. What a pathetic turn of events.

PuppyMonkey · Yesterday 17:07

Well I think it’s good it’s been reported to HR. He might have to explain in great detail why he was so interested in OP not having alcohol and make himself look a proper tit.

OliveMyLove · Yesterday 17:07

KeepPumping · Yesterday 17:05

If a woman asked the OP the same would she still have gone into the Power Ranger act?

Would a woman have gone to HR and complained?

saveforthat · Yesterday 17:07

Next time someone asks you that question op, I would reply none of your business.

BeKhakiReader · Yesterday 17:07

Do make sure you update the thread, OP.

GarlicAnything · Yesterday 17:08

DraigCymraeg · Yesterday 16:58

Her inital response is not the issue.
The aggressive and unpleasant recation to a simple question is a problem.

It's a simple question. And it is extremely bad form. OP was under no obligation to explain her choice of drink.

People who query why someone's not drinking alcohol are usually alcoholics. They want everybody else to drink alcohol and are prone to pushing others to do so. You don't need to be a genius to work out why this is wrong, but OP obligingly gave the chap a list of reasons.

I hope it turns out that HR's interest is in his inappropriate behaviour.

KeepPumping · Yesterday 17:08

Moreholidaysthanjudithchalmers · Yesterday 17:04

From OP’s version of events I’d wonder if it was one of the colleagues at the networking event that had raised it with HR you can’t assume it was him.
Op confirms she spoke to her colleague in a slow and patronising tone. She says forthright body language, I can see how another interpretation could be aggressive.
I’d write down your version of events and go to meeting with an open mind.
I’d also join a union I’m surprised you aren’t in one.

"I’d also join a union I’m surprised you aren’t in one."
Indeed, the slow and patronising tone is best kept for domestic tiffs, not going to fly in a work environment at all.

OliveMyLove · Yesterday 17:09

wacademia · Yesterday 17:05

Read again what you are replying to and tell me exactly where the poster you are replying to wasn't calm?

You told someone who stated clearly their opinion, without any agitation, to calm down. You're tone-policing because you don't have a valid counter-argument.

I don’t think this poster is serious.

HB1625 · Yesterday 17:09

Jellybunny98 · Yesterday 14:24

To be fair OP I think the “oh you know, reasons” does sort of invite further questions, I’m not sure the “seeing red” is really warranted here.

"Oh you know, reasons" then laughing. I agree that this does invite further questions.