Constructive dismissal grounds

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Hi I just want some advice on this.

I have worked for my company for a long time and I was promoted into my current job without interview by a previous manager (who doesn’t work there anymore).

The job has changed as the company has changed over the years and new management. I am a manager of a team and told my managers a year ago I felt swamped at work. My team constantly interrupt me all day asking questions and it’s irritating. I asked to drop my hours and they did eventually let me but this meant I had to let someone else train up in parts of my job for when I am not there. I don’t really get on with them, they think they are better than me at my job so I just let them do their thing on their day and I do mine on my day. I don’t really like other people being involved in my job, I don’t think they can do it as well as I can but it’s good to have someone to delegate all the bits of the job I don’t like to.

I think things are fine as they are, but there has been so many changes to how we work now and I feel pushed out. I’ve kept my head down and not really got too involved but it annoys me they don’t consult with me with the decisions.

work are doing a restructure and I’ve been told that they want me doing some different things at work. It’s a bit of a different job title but a lot of the same things I’ve been doing anyway, same pay, same hours etc. I can do the job but I don’t like these changes they seem boring. I get why they are doing it, they say it’s more efficient use of my time as I am experienced but ideally I want to work less hours (cut another day a week) and stay in the same role. It also means the person I don’t get on with is going to get more responsibility and take over some of the stuff I do. My manager says I am doing too many basic jobs and as a manager I need to be contributing more to making the place run better. I do a lot of the basic jobs when we are short staffed but I just don’t think they pay me enough to step up to this new level. They asked me to trial the job I said no.

I said I don’t want the job so said I would leave. They said there is no other job at my level, just the one they want me to do but if I resign I could still come back in a different job (that is also boring) on the less hours I want, less responsibilities but with less pay, and I don’t want that one either and doesn’t seem fair. I want to keep my current job and stay on my pay level.

I told them this sounds like constructive dismissal do you think I have a case?

[Note from MNHQ - OP confirmed later on that this is a reverse - while we don't exactly encourage this kind of thing, we appreciate that posters sometimes do things this way to gain a different perspective, which we could probably all do with from time to time.]

You lost me when you said you gave away all the boring jobs to the person trained to cover you.

I don’t really like other people being involved in my job, I don’t think they can do it as well as I can but it’s good to have someone to delegate all the bits of the job I don’t like to.

This stood out to me. If you are being paid more to be the manager, your job is to find the best ways of working for your whole team, it isn’t to dump stuff you don’t like doing. Also, you really shouldn’t be a manager if you don’t like other people “being involved”.

I’ve been told that they want me doing some different things at work. It’s a bit of a different job title but a lot of the same things I’ve been doing anyway, same pay, same hours etc. I can do the job but I don’t like these changes they seem boring.

This doesn’t sound like constructive dismissal to me. You being bored isn’t their responsibility (unless you are so amazing they would do anything to keep you). Same Pay, same hours, similar work - this is literally all they have to offer you to make it a reasonable alternative employment.

ideally I want to work less hours (cut another day a week) and stay in the same role

Flexible working can be great, but hard to lead a team when you are very part time (ie there only half the time). The role you used to do is not continuing because it doesn’t meet the needs of the business.

They said there is no other job at my level, just the one they want me to do but if I resign I could still come back in a different job

So they have offered you a job at the same level, they have offered you an alternative with less responsibility, but you don’t want either of them?

Honestly, unless your skills are exceptional and impossible to find in someone else, you are just going to have to either do the new job or resign. This isn’t constructive dismissal from anything you’ve said. Your post suggests you have a poor attitude and lack of flexibility - if that is accurate you may find they won’t be unhappy at you going.

Reverses should result in instant banning.

hello?????? reverse!

its a reverse!!

Ah, just seen it was a reverse.

Things you need to do as the manager
-Continue with your restructure assuming you can clearly articulate why this is needed to meet the needs of the business
-Ensure you follow every single clause of your own organisation’s policies on these things
-Make sure you have HR support at a suitable level
-Document everything
-As @MNHQ to delete this as it is very unprofessional

You sound a bit delusional to how businesses work. Not wanting to change or economise and expecting them to keep everything as things are for you. You don’t like your team interrupting you and yet equally think you’re a good manager. You sound out of date and out of touch. They’re offering you something they feel is more appropriate I’d be biting their hand off unless you want redundancy which is the obvious alternative and you should get this rather than resign

I doubt it. On the contrary it looks much more like you are trying to push employer into making you redundant. Jobs change. If you really don't like what's going on then apply for jobs elsewhere. And at least try the new role - you might find it's more interesting than you imagine.

I also suspected reverse, noone is that unreasonable...

OP does your business actually have an HR dept? Where are they in all this?

This has got to be a reverse. This person needs to go

It is … already admitted it.

The OP has said it is a reverse. Hopefully she’s reassured by the response to what sounds like an intolerable situation for her.

Agree. It's so pointless.

OP. You should quit. This reverse is the pits, and shows that you, too, are in the wrong job.

Just wow. 😂

It is quite concerning when managers turn to Mumsnet for advice on how to do their jobs.

It was blatantly a reverse before I even read the paragraph that confirmed it.

How in the name of reason did you ever become a manager?

Hi,

you need proper advice.

They have offered you a job. You don’t want it. You want something else. They don’t have it.

Either accept. Or find another job.

Good luck 👌🏼

You wanted less hours and had to train someone you didn't like for you to be able to this. Now they seem to be competent and tacking the load you didn't want you're not happy they're seemingly above you?

We can't have it both ways, so if the new role offered seems a bit boring, it could be worse??

You sound really difficult. You want it all your way. You have a job share, you say you don't like the person you share with but like delegating the "boring" tasks to them. No wonder you get their back up.

You resent your team looking to you for leadership.

You don't want to do anything you deem boring or evolve with your role.

They've given you a variety of options pick one or leave but it's not constructive dismissal

I think people who say "i just say what I think and that's who I am" are AHs you are not a toddler you can control what you say, and you can express opinions in a kind why without being rude or abrasive.

Lots of people (including me) will agree with your sentiments on corporate nonsense but it's not your company or business so unfortunately you'll have to accept you can't have it your way

IT’S A REVERSE!

OP, good trolling thread 👌