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Coworkers complained to our supervisor because I am indifferent. Why are people so needy.

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anissa834 · 09/12/2024 10:06

I recently got a job at a new location as a graphic designer.

I've been working there for 10 months so far. I really like this job even tho it's demanding.

But I got problems with my coworkers. When it comes to other coworkers, I mostly talk to them about the work at hand. I work with them when I have to but other then that I don't have any real relationships with them.

My interactions with coworkers are strictly formal and neutral.

I just come in, get my jobs done and go home. Plus I already have plenty of friends outside of work.

Sometimes, some of them would complain that I am anti social and cold but I up until now, it never escalated.

Before the complaint, here are some context.

There is that one lady coworker who is the golden coworker.

You see how many parents have several children but they have that one golden child ? The child that get the most attention, love, gifts and overall gets spoiled and sometimes get away from being punished ?

Well that coworker is the equivalent of a golden child. She is the golden colleague. She is also known to be the boss's good girl. She is extremely loyal to him and doesn't mind snitching.

She is one of those people at work that almost everyone loves and wants to get to know.

I personally don't care about her but I am not jealous or anything but some of my other coworkers also complained that I am indifferent towards the golden colleague even tho I've told them multiple times that I am here to be productive and get stuff done and I have nothing against the golden colleague.

Well the complaint came in because apparently the golden colleague have been out of work for a week last week for some kind of medical problems. I don't really know the details, I don't care.

She came back today. I said good morning to everybody and began doing what I had to do in the job.

Well my boss called me in this morning and he informed me that my indifference and coldness is making people around me uncomfortable. He did say that I am not breaking any company policies and he is satisfied with my performance but perhaps I need to be a bit more warm and friendlier. Even said "we are a family here" . I told him that I've been respectful and professional towards my colleagues but he talked to me about the golden colleague and how she is been out for a week and when she came in, I didn't even ask how is she doing and how her health is improving and how I am always indifferent towards her and that she is a bubbly friendly person and I don't understand why I am so cold towards her.

He let me go eventually because this conversation wasn't going anywhere. We kept going back and forth and we both got annoyed at each other but he told me at the end "think about this conversation okay ?"

Why are people so needy ?

OP posts:
Uricon2 · 09/12/2024 18:07

I don't recognise these teams where noone asks a friendly question or shares a joke or has a chat with the people they spend most of their waking hours with. My working life involved a huge range of people (including the quiet and reserved) from the 1970s to the 2020s without anyone complaining about my attitude to my colleagues.

There is a difference between "quiet and reserved" and coming across with the emotional warmth of an iceberg though. OP is very keen to blame one person (who she clearly despises) but is unwilling to consider that she may not be a good fit for this environment at all and is making others uncomfortable.

Bunnylovely · 09/12/2024 18:07

snowmichael · 09/12/2024 18:02

This is absolutely a brilliant example of what I'm talking about
She has already raised the subject, thus creating (in Dunbar's terminology) a 'bridge' between her work village and her holiday village
Maybe it's only a bridge for you, maybe if others overheard and joined the conversation, it becomes a communal bridge, or if enough people are included, it becomes a village of its own, with overlaps to the work village already built in

Now i think if it, I do also ask people who haven't said they were going on holidays next year "are you going anywhere nice mext year"

Because I look at past history to assume they are.

We work in an area where we earn quite well.

And every year so far, all of my colleagues have gone on about three holidays.

Last year they all went on holidays. And the year before. It's very normal where I work, for people to go on multiple holidays a year.

And we love talking about them. As we work very hard. And holidays are something to look forward to. So it's something to chat about

snowmichael · 09/12/2024 18:08

Bunnylovely · 09/12/2024 17:47

What is the need to be that serious though.

Even on here.

Lighten up a bit

Ah, does that go along with the bloke on the train telling the girl opposite to smile?
I don't think you know just how offensive you are to people who don't see the world the way you do

Greyskybluesky · 09/12/2024 18:09

BuildbyNumbere · 09/12/2024 18:05

I’d say it’s pretty obvious what you are insinuating and pretty obvious why the OP doesn’t want to interact with her colleagues.

You are also kind of boring me now … go comment on someone else if you need some entertainment and an argument.

I couldn't care less if I'm boring you. If I was looking for entertainment and an argument I wouldn't look to you, you have neither.

I do need to call out racism when I see it.

It's pretty obvious why the OP doesn’t want to interact with her colleagues.

Yep. There it is.

snowmichael · 09/12/2024 18:11

Bunnylovely · 09/12/2024 17:51

Because as we keep saying to you @snowmichael it's normal for a lot of people to chat about what they are doing outside of work.

You don't like it. But other people do

And in my experience, it is not the norm
I do like it that they don't, you and other people may not

And there is good scientific evidence to support the various theories that compartmentalisations are mentally healthy

BeAzureAnt · 09/12/2024 18:11

DoYouReally · 09/12/2024 17:41

Your boss has multiple complaints about your manner, coldness and indifference.

You can lay the blame at one person of you like, but do you really think that people would complain for just no reason.

You have been advised there is an issue.
You have been asked to take it on board.
You seem to be prefer not too and blame others rather than asking yourself why you are making a lot of people uncomfortable.

Yes, actually I do think people would complain for no reason. I think they would do it if

  1. they were jealous if OP is good at her job
  2. they were racist
  3. the complainant is having an affair with her boss
  4. the boss is trying to have an easy life by blaming OP because he the complainant is popular or leader of a clique

I’ve seen all these things that caused people to leave. People mob others out of workplaces for things that are not performance based; scapegoating can happen too.

No sane individual would report a work colleague because they didn’t ask if they if they were feeling better after they took sick leave. And no sane boss would use that as an excuse to dress down an employee. It is ridiculous.

YourRubyLion · 09/12/2024 18:12

I think people like working with people who make the 8 hours you have to spend there bearable and fun. Its nice to know you have each others backs, that you can tell the person you are sitting next to if you are having a tough time. I am not a best friends at work type of person but I can still have a nice conversation. Just give it a bit of a try as 8 hours a day is a lot of your life to just spend with no fun and interaction.

feistyoneyouare · 09/12/2024 18:12

RockOrAHardplace · 09/12/2024 15:15

Oh, I am split on this one. Individually, I see your point and if you crack on with a job and its a job well done, that is great. But work is not transactional. Your problem here is that it sound like a close knit group and your lack of engagement is becoming a problem for some in the team.

Its obvious you are dedicated and a hard worker and being "professional" is very valid. However, spending 8hrs a day in the workplace and creating a sense of community and teamwork is important for overall morale and productivity. While they can't expect everyone to be overly social, small gestures like a friendly greeting or participating in team activities (occasionally) can make a big difference. Your perspective is valuable, and they are not asking you to change who you are, just to help build a positive team environment. It's important to balance understanding your boundaries with fostering a cohesive team environment.

I used to work with a team of guys who talked about football all day, my eyes became double glazed on a regular basis but I still, (occasionally) joined in the team footie events to show willing. There was a ring leader (your golden child) who everyone bowed to...it drove me mad.

But when something goes wrong (whoever's fault it is), sadly, how people support and back you can be based on the social dynamics in the workplace. If you plan on staying, you need to bend a little. In another business with different dynamics it would be fine, but they want a team player from the sound of it and that includes socially. This is not who you are and I understand why, but just put a little effort in to appease them/ Think of it like wearing a seat belt in a car, its a reassuring preventative measure against what could happen.

Would a man be written off as not being a team player if he didn't ask about his colleagues' holidays?

Similarly, men are never expected to ask after their colleagues' children, but women are seen as cold and odd if they don't.

Being a team player is primarily about bringing that characteristic to the work. Obviously there's a social element, but women so often seem to end up being labelled as not being team players when all it really means is that they forgot to ask if Sandra who sits across from them had a nice week in Anglesey and is little Johnny's broken toe better yet. Because women are expected to ask about these things. Men, not so much.

WaryHedgehog · 09/12/2024 18:12

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user44221 · 09/12/2024 18:13

snowmichael · 09/12/2024 16:39

It's never happened, of course
But if they did I'd probably say (probably truthfully) "I haven't decided yet"
And the whole concept of 'going on holiday this year' as if it's a one-off thing is not something I've ever adhered to
I go away on short breaks 6-10 times a year, and long haul holidays 2 or 3 times
How well would that go down with colleagues?
And, again, whose life is improved by them knowing?

Am I the only one finding humour in the fact that you've repeatedly said you're too busy at work for anything but the briefest, barest interactions with co-workers but you've somehow made time to make about 6000 posts on this thread chatting (combatively) with absolute strangers? 😃

ItsVeryComplicated · 09/12/2024 18:14

It sounds as though you are in a place where teamwork and team spirit is important and you don't want to do that. I think you might be better moving to another job where that team skill is not needed, since you clearly don't have it.

I worked with a person like you once and her behaviour came over to us as though she hated us and looked down on us, which was very stressful to be around.

TriesNotToBeCynical · 09/12/2024 18:15

BuildbyNumbere · 09/12/2024 18:00

Nope, obnoxious is being intentionally rude to people that are trying to ask you a general question out of politeness … something that you have clearly said you do purposely.

Some of the most obnoxious people around are those who wheedle or bully information out of coworkers and then go around gossiping about it.

Edit, and by the way I never said I refused to answer untactfully, I just say something obviously untrue like: "Not sure yet."

snowmichael · 09/12/2024 18:15

user44221 · 09/12/2024 17:57

But the OP doesn't seem to be very good at lateral thinking or problem solving in this instance, so not sure why we could assume she would be in others? She seems, in fact, quite rigid and single-track on this.

Why can't people just be accepting that some of us are different?

I think people can, but equally, I think those who are 'different' might have to accept that there's something about the way they interact that can make others uncomfortable. If someone were to say something like, "I really like my job and enjoy working with you all, but I'm just really not very good with casual social interaction, so don't take it personally if I don't engage" I think most people would accept that and be fine. It's when the lack of engagement feels completely blank and cold that people get uncomfortable. You don't have to be looking to be lifelong besties to say, nice to see you're feeling better and then move on.

I think you are completely correct

But I also think
> If someone were to say something like, "I really like my job and enjoy working with you all, but I'm just really not very good with casual social interaction, so don't take it personally if I don't engage" I think most people would accept that and be fine
That would possibly be terrifying to stand up and say, for the people who most need to say it?

PyongyangKipperbang · 09/12/2024 18:16

anissa834 · 09/12/2024 10:06

I recently got a job at a new location as a graphic designer.

I've been working there for 10 months so far. I really like this job even tho it's demanding.

But I got problems with my coworkers. When it comes to other coworkers, I mostly talk to them about the work at hand. I work with them when I have to but other then that I don't have any real relationships with them.

My interactions with coworkers are strictly formal and neutral.

I just come in, get my jobs done and go home. Plus I already have plenty of friends outside of work.

Sometimes, some of them would complain that I am anti social and cold but I up until now, it never escalated.

Before the complaint, here are some context.

There is that one lady coworker who is the golden coworker.

You see how many parents have several children but they have that one golden child ? The child that get the most attention, love, gifts and overall gets spoiled and sometimes get away from being punished ?

Well that coworker is the equivalent of a golden child. She is the golden colleague. She is also known to be the boss's good girl. She is extremely loyal to him and doesn't mind snitching.

She is one of those people at work that almost everyone loves and wants to get to know.

I personally don't care about her but I am not jealous or anything but some of my other coworkers also complained that I am indifferent towards the golden colleague even tho I've told them multiple times that I am here to be productive and get stuff done and I have nothing against the golden colleague.

Well the complaint came in because apparently the golden colleague have been out of work for a week last week for some kind of medical problems. I don't really know the details, I don't care.

She came back today. I said good morning to everybody and began doing what I had to do in the job.

Well my boss called me in this morning and he informed me that my indifference and coldness is making people around me uncomfortable. He did say that I am not breaking any company policies and he is satisfied with my performance but perhaps I need to be a bit more warm and friendlier. Even said "we are a family here" . I told him that I've been respectful and professional towards my colleagues but he talked to me about the golden colleague and how she is been out for a week and when she came in, I didn't even ask how is she doing and how her health is improving and how I am always indifferent towards her and that she is a bubbly friendly person and I don't understand why I am so cold towards her.

He let me go eventually because this conversation wasn't going anywhere. We kept going back and forth and we both got annoyed at each other but he told me at the end "think about this conversation okay ?"

Why are people so needy ?

She's pissed off because you're not in her fan club. That's it. She needs to be adored and you don't, so it undermines her self esteem.

BeAzureAnt · 09/12/2024 18:19

user44221 · 09/12/2024 18:13

Am I the only one finding humour in the fact that you've repeatedly said you're too busy at work for anything but the briefest, barest interactions with co-workers but you've somehow made time to make about 6000 posts on this thread chatting (combatively) with absolute strangers? 😃

I don’t find it humorous at all. I find this thread really depressing.

snowmichael · 09/12/2024 18:20

friendconcern · 09/12/2024 17:58

Because it’s not a secret, I was disappearing for a few hours and I wanted to explain why for context.

It sounds like in your project management role you don’t work in a team as such, perhaps more alongside people? And you work in different settings?

It that’s the case, the difference in approach makes sense, I work with the same people every day in an emotionally difficult setting. We support people in very high levels of distress and when you do that you often become very close with your colleagues. It wouldn’t be unheard of for people to get upset at work, or just want to offload about something difficult, and we’re all therapists so all about the talking and feelings.

Firstly, you are completely right that we work in totally different environments
I am almost always in a team of other professionals of similar age and experience, in charge of the work of small-ish groups of people, mostly younger, but not in charge of the people themselves

Secondly, "Because it’s not a secret", bothers me for a reason I find hard to explain
It smacks to me of "If you have nothing to hide, you have nothing to fear" in other, completely unrelated, areas

I think my expectations of privacy are higher - in a sense of fences, not quality - than yours
Maybe it's my decades under the cudgel of data privacy that formed my opinion "If you don't need to ask, you shouldn't ask"

BeAzureAnt · 09/12/2024 18:20

feistyoneyouare · 09/12/2024 18:12

Would a man be written off as not being a team player if he didn't ask about his colleagues' holidays?

Similarly, men are never expected to ask after their colleagues' children, but women are seen as cold and odd if they don't.

Being a team player is primarily about bringing that characteristic to the work. Obviously there's a social element, but women so often seem to end up being labelled as not being team players when all it really means is that they forgot to ask if Sandra who sits across from them had a nice week in Anglesey and is little Johnny's broken toe better yet. Because women are expected to ask about these things. Men, not so much.

good and thoughtful post

BigFatLiar · 09/12/2024 18:22

Hoppinggreen · 09/12/2024 18:01

Thats an excellent point.
Its very unlikely that men would ever be accused of being unfriendly at work, they would probably be admired for their focus.
Its only women who are supposed to give a shit about peoples weekends

Men are just as likely to be complained about, probably not by other men though.
OH used to do occasional detached duty at other sites. There were a couple of young female colleagues also went. They complained that he didn't eat with them and so was anti social.

snowmichael · 09/12/2024 18:22

BuildbyNumbere · 09/12/2024 18:00

Nope, obnoxious is being intentionally rude to people that are trying to ask you a general question out of politeness … something that you have clearly said you do purposely.

At no point have I said I do that
I actually said that (for this example of an intrusive question) I'd probably answer "I haven't decided yet" while wanting to say "None of your business"
Obnoxious behaviour is also mis-stating what others have said

DoYouReally · 09/12/2024 18:22

HoppityBun · 09/12/2024 17:46

But this is a criticism of someone’s personality, which isn’t fair. They're saying they don’t like someone because they want them to be different to how they are.

It's not necessarily a criticism of someone's personality. It's a criticism of how they interact with others.

For what it's worth, the ill lady appears to be the last to complain and I think her compliant is unfounded. There's no requirement to ask about personal illness at all in most roles other than manager and HR.

Whippetlovely · 09/12/2024 18:25

I haven't experienced working with men that didn't ask how my kids were or general chit chat. I don't think it's a man / woman thing at all. A lot of male workers have kids themselves and are happy to talk / moan about their kids / talk about holidays / moan about the company just as much as the women in my experience.

CrazyGoatLady · 09/12/2024 18:25

OP, I do get where you're coming from. I'm autistic and find small talk at work hard. I don't always remember the small details about someone's life, their kids, etc, and tend to prefer to focus mostly on the job. But it sort of does come across a bit harsh to say you don't care that a colleague was unwell.

I'm not up for the whole workplace family vibe, but there's some "social glue" stuff that I've accepted I need to do so that the team gets along, people do need to feel cared about, and giving a shit when someone has been off sick and asking how they are is one of them.

You don't have to be besties with your colleagues, but there is a middle ground between that and completely shunning them, where you can converse and basically get along while you're at work and showing some care for others' welfare doesn't cost anything.

snowmichael · 09/12/2024 18:26

Greyskybluesky · 09/12/2024 18:09

I couldn't care less if I'm boring you. If I was looking for entertainment and an argument I wouldn't look to you, you have neither.

I do need to call out racism when I see it.

It's pretty obvious why the OP doesn’t want to interact with her colleagues.

Yep. There it is.

It's pretty clear that @BuildbyNumbere doesn't want to see even the possibility of racism here (which, tbf, OP has done everything to avoid bringing up as a reason)

Hoppinggreen · 09/12/2024 18:26

BigFatLiar · 09/12/2024 18:22

Men are just as likely to be complained about, probably not by other men though.
OH used to do occasional detached duty at other sites. There were a couple of young female colleagues also went. They complained that he didn't eat with them and so was anti social.

I was complained and gossiped about for not being very interested in someones baby they brought to work many years ago. None of the men were.
Apparently it was "worse" because I was pg myself.
I left after Mat Leave but I sure as Heck wouldn't have taken my baby for a visit.

AgnesX · 09/12/2024 18:27

It doesn't take a lot to be civil does it....ie " hi, hope you're feeling better". It's part of being collegial.

Its like talking about the weather or pets, Smalltalk makes the world go round.

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