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Super-sensitive new colleague: how to manage

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GustyFinknottle · 14/09/2023 21:07

I work in a sales and marketing team for a small company that doesn't have in-house HR. My manager has been on sick leave for five weeks and I, being the oldest and longest-serving member of the department, have been instructed to deal with this situation as best I can by my manager's manager (who is the company director/ owner).

Before he went off sick my manager recruited a young woman (a recent graduate) to work as an assistant. She's very conscientious and she seems super-sensitive about what I and my fellow colleagues would regard as normal work exchanges and feedback. It's a fairly relaxed environment and we understand that it takes a while to learn the systems and don't expect her to get everything right all the time.

Part of her work involves updating product specs. I was wfh a couple of weeks ago and couldn't find the updated version of a file I knew she'd been working on, so I emailed her saying 'Hi, I'm looking for the latest version of the XYZ file. Are you still working on it?' She responded that she had completed the task and uploaded the file. I took another look, still couldn't find it, so emailed asking her to double-check it was completed and she'd uploaded it. She said she had. It turned out, when I searched for it, that she'd accidentally changed the title and put it in the wrong folder. I called her to say I'd found it, told her what had happened and suggested it was something to look out for in the future. I assured her that it's still early days and that we've all done similar things. We laughed at how easy it was to do and that was that.

The following day I received an email telling me she felt I owed her an apology because I had accused her of not completing the work when she said she had. I responded in writing saying that I was sorry that was how she'd understood my words, but there was no accusation intended, I was just trying to work out where the file was. She came back saying she still thought I ought to apologise. I sat down with a cup of tea, wondered wtf was going on, gave it some thought and responded via email asking how how she'd like me to approach her in the future if something like this happened again. Her response was that if she tells me she's done something I need to trust that she has and not accuse her of lying, which she felt I had by asked her to double-check. She again asked for an apology in writing. I said I was sorry that she felt I was accusing her of not having completed the task and that seemed to satisfy her, but it was such a bizarre exchange that I haven't been able to relax around her since.

I thought I was the only one, but apparently something similar has been going on with two other colleagues. They've both been asked to apologise for the kind of functional communications that go on in every office I've worked in. They're both decent people who feel quite offended by her accusations. They've asked me to talk to her and have made it clear they feel that working with her is going to be a challenge. She is in week nine of a three month probationary period and this needs to be dealt with before the end of probation. My manager is off sick. I've asked the director for permission to involve the HR consultant and I'm waiting for a response, but I'd like to have a conversation with her in the next few days in order to put down a marker and then work out where to go from there.

Has anyone encountered anything like this? Is this a generational thing? I'm in my 50s, my other colleagues are at least 15 years older than her. Our adult children aren't like this but is this the new normal?

I was wondering about asking her if she was enjoying working here and seeing what she has to say. Would it be acceptable to say that I get the impression, from some of her communications with me and others, that she doesn't seem comfortable with the way our team communicates, and that's something she needs to work on? This is a pleasant place to work, everyone in the is pretty reasonable and good at what they do and we've been a good — and effective — team. Is it appropriate to alert her that being able to work comfortably with other team members, in an established office culture, is vital? That being able to handle reasonable requests and feedback from colleagues is all part of the job?

OP posts:
girlswillbegirls · 15/09/2023 10:17

OP please get rid of her. This is not going to get better. If someone in her probation period is this difficult and ask (or more like demand) a written apology to someone senior is a huge red flag and will only get worse. She has issues interpreting normal interaction and she (hopefully for her) learn in the future what is acceptable and what is not. There is not an amount of talk that will make her change right now. You have the opportunity to not to extend her probation. Take it.
And your colleagues will also thank you for that.

Megifer · 15/09/2023 10:17

DrSbaitso · 15/09/2023 10:08

Without even giving her a chance to improve? Without even trying? And dealing with it by sending long, hostile, authoritarian emails all about how shit she is, or some equivalent crap, self-indulgent tactic that's designed to do anything except get the best out of her?

Like I said, crap managers everywhere.

Sounds like she has been given about 3 chances already to reflect.

This won't get better, this is obvious by the employees reaction to a very common way of nicely suggesting there's been a bit of a cock up without being too blunt about it - being gracious etc. This employee has unfortunately blown it which is a shame but ops company is also a business that has other employees to consider.

Ilikeicecream · 15/09/2023 10:21

Aquamarine1029 · 14/09/2023 23:39

You must be the new colleague.

So you accuse a poster of being the new colleague because she pointed OP's mistakes. Like OP you have no patience or tolerance

DrSbaitso · 15/09/2023 10:24

Fuckthatguy · 15/09/2023 10:14

@AliOlis 😂

@DrSbaitso OP didn’t send a long waffly, unprofessional email though, just described some extremely shocking behaviours by what appears to be a very very bad hire. 🚩 🚩 🚩

Are you reading the posts before you respond yo them? I was referring to the poster who suggested she should that, plus the numerous other posters who suggested equally shit tactics.

A decent manager would at least give the kid a chance; we learn by making mistakes. She might still not pass probation, she might not take the learning opportunity, but it's a shit manager who won't even give her a chance to try. Of course, there are shit managers everywhere, as evidenced by this thread and workplaces around the country, so it's not a surprise, but dang, how are there so many of them?

It's even possible that the new recruit has a point, albeit not the skills or maturity to express it well. It might be that she is being dealt with in a brusque way and disrespected because of her age and not immediately grasping this "established working culture" which involves criticising people via email rather than in a discussion where there can be some back and forth. Again, a decent manager would at least be prepared to consider the possibility that they might have, well, managed this better.

But of course we are just getting "sling her out, stupid snowflake, just let her know how shit she is!" That's people skills to you?

It's an epidemic of shit managers.

3luckystars · 15/09/2023 10:25

Be extremely careful, tell HR you want no interactions with her as she will take offence to whatever you say.
I would explain to HR what’s going on with all the other managers, they need to deal with it, extend her probation and let someone else handle it with more experience of this. Don’t get yourself in trouble.

Yalta · 15/09/2023 10:26

Just because it's an established culture doesn't mean it's a good culture

It is what most offices and places of work are like and if she wants to keep any job where she works alongside other people then she needs to do a lot of growing up

Why would she demand an apology over being accused of not completing a task when she hadn’t actually completed the task and made people waste time looking for a re titled file that she put in an incorrect folder.

StoneWitch · 15/09/2023 10:27

We have one of these, but she's 29! Not super young or inexperienced. Everything is an issue, she ends up in tears.

I feel bad for our staff member, she's clearly got issues. But I'm not her mum or her therapist, and I'm not planning to pass her probation. Our HR will then need to discuss with my manager whether to extend her probation or let her go.

Rewis · 15/09/2023 10:28

If she is that comfortable with confrontation, doesn't sound like she's that sensitive. Also not a generational thing. Just a personality thing. Like things usually tend to be.

Megifer · 15/09/2023 10:28

Ilikeicecream · 15/09/2023 10:21

So you accuse a poster of being the new colleague because she pointed OP's mistakes. Like OP you have no patience or tolerance

Where are you getting that op has no patience or tolerance from? I think she's been great tbh in the face of being instructed to apologise for asking a new starter to double check something and accusations being made towards her.

EarringsandLipstick · 15/09/2023 10:28

The number of them going straight for adversarial, authoritarian and hostile responses, and deciding to sling her out without even trying to help her improve!

💯

There's a difference between being clear & honest with the employee, firm about what's acceptable, and offering support / training, and the suggestions of aggressively taking her apart.

In fact, the more inappropriately a staff member is behaving, the more important that you are yourself behaving impeccably, in accordance with procedure, and as calmly as possible.

Ilikeicecream · 15/09/2023 10:29

GustyFinknottle · 14/09/2023 23:18

Her responses are very wide of what most of us would consider normal, aren't they? My partner pointed out that a) some people live by the never-apologise-never-explain principle and b) use attack as a form of defence when they know they've fucked up. I'm getting quite nervous about talking to her. Wondering if I can get the HR consultant in at short notice to handle it. I'll corner the director first thing tomorrow and see if we can speed things up.

Is it really a fuck up in your eyes? Saving file in a wrong folder?

You have low tolerance and your description of a small mistake as a fuck up tells me you were may have been rude in tone when talked to her.

And what is this never explain and never apologise rule? Is this how you maintain a great, easy going atmosphere at work.

Fuck up is Liz Truss tanking economy, Bojo not following lockdown rules, not a new, hardworking intern saving file in the wrong location.

FrangipaniBlue · 15/09/2023 10:29

All I can say is, I'm glad the majority of posters on this thread don't work for me!

Your attitudes are appalling.

She is a new graduate. She has most likely never had a full time office role before.

As another poster said, her sphere of reference for appropriate behaviour in the workplace are thinks like Tik Tok and Valley Girls.

A good manager would help her learn about the intricacies of workplace culture and dynamics. They would give her an opportunity to improve and grow.

If she doesn't respond then that's on her and by all means manage her out.

But you cannot expect a brand new grad straight out of uni "to just know this stuff". They are completely green and literally do need treated like toddlers.

The good ones will thank you for it in the longer term.

Fuckthatguy · 15/09/2023 10:30

@DrSbaitso and I was referring to the OP, you missed that…nobody is arguing there are shit managers of course. Breathe.

FrangipaniBlue · 15/09/2023 10:31

Yalta · 15/09/2023 10:26

Just because it's an established culture doesn't mean it's a good culture

It is what most offices and places of work are like and if she wants to keep any job where she works alongside other people then she needs to do a lot of growing up

Why would she demand an apology over being accused of not completing a task when she hadn’t actually completed the task and made people waste time looking for a re titled file that she put in an incorrect folder.

I have no words........

Fuckthatguy · 15/09/2023 10:32

Not shit managers rather* shit employees, shit managers, everywhere. This particular employee, however sounds more than a bit shit.

Fuckthatguy · 15/09/2023 10:33

@FrangipaniBlue depends on the calibre of grad I suppose

willWillSmithsmith · 15/09/2023 10:34

DrSbaitso · 15/09/2023 09:59

Threads like this show how many managers really can't manage. Shouldn't surprise anyone who has some workplace experience, there are shit managers everywhere, and yet it's always an eye opener.

Yes, this employee is being difficult and maybe she's not a fit, but she's very young, new and inexperienced. The managers in their 40s, 50s and beyond really don't have that excuse and they're supposed to be able to deal with situations like this in a more mature and profession way than many of then are showing here.

The number of them going straight for adversarial, authoritarian and hostile responses, and deciding to sling her out without even trying to help her improve!

I had my first full time job at sixteen, I would never have written demands for apologies from my seniors over this. Maybe it hasn’t occurred to her that she is on probation and can be given the boot.

AliOlis · 15/09/2023 10:35

But you cannot expect a brand new grad straight out of uni "to just know this stuff". They are completely green and literally do need treated like toddlers.
As the parent of a brand new grad who's just entered the working world; no.
No, they are not completely green and no, they absolutely do not need treating like toddlers.
Wtf?

FrangipaniBlue · 15/09/2023 10:36

I've had some amazing grads work for me, some of whom have gone on to do greater things than I.

But every single one of them was still green around the gills straight out of uni, when it came to workplace culture and appropriate behaviour.

They ALL needed support, just to varying degrees.

DrSbaitso · 15/09/2023 10:36

Fuckthatguy · 15/09/2023 10:30

@DrSbaitso and I was referring to the OP, you missed that…nobody is arguing there are shit managers of course. Breathe.

Yes, you were referring to the OP....in replying to me, and I was not. And now, surprise surprise, you're getting hostile and mildly insulting to try to wind me up as a deflection from your error.

Because that matters to you more than the actual issue.

Jaysus. And I bet you're a manager too.

willWillSmithsmith · 15/09/2023 10:38

FrangipaniBlue · 15/09/2023 10:29

All I can say is, I'm glad the majority of posters on this thread don't work for me!

Your attitudes are appalling.

She is a new graduate. She has most likely never had a full time office role before.

As another poster said, her sphere of reference for appropriate behaviour in the workplace are thinks like Tik Tok and Valley Girls.

A good manager would help her learn about the intricacies of workplace culture and dynamics. They would give her an opportunity to improve and grow.

If she doesn't respond then that's on her and by all means manage her out.

But you cannot expect a brand new grad straight out of uni "to just know this stuff". They are completely green and literally do need treated like toddlers.

The good ones will thank you for it in the longer term.

That’s ridiculous. Yes they need training and allowances for mistakes but needing to be treated like toddlers? No, they need to be treated like adults learning a new job and they need to behave like an adult learning a new job.

EarringsandLipstick · 15/09/2023 10:39

@FrangipaniBlue

I agree fully about supporting new grads, providing training etc

However, this isn't predominantly the issue here.

The issue is how she's addressing OP & colleagues - even a new entrant to the workplace knows how to be polite & respectful. They have many opportunities prior to learn this.

I agree, it should be managed firmly but sensitively and of course, more chances offered - but definitely with caution.

I think you're actually doing a disservice to many excellent young adults who are perfectly attuned to workplace etiquette and general manners & respect.

FrangipaniBlue · 15/09/2023 10:40

and how do you think they know how to behave like adults learning a new job @willWillSmithsmith ?

Fuckthatguy · 15/09/2023 10:40

@DrSbaitso oh wow. I see you also need to be managed carefully.

Thepeopleversuswork · 15/09/2023 10:41

@DrSbaitso

It's even possible that the new recruit has a point, albeit not the skills or maturity to express it well. It might be that she is being dealt with in a brusque way and disrespected because of her age and not immediately grasping this "established working culture" which involves criticising people via email rather than in a discussion where there can be some back and forth. Again, a decent manager would at least be prepared to consider the possibility that they might have, well, managed this better.

I'm normally very open to the idea that organisations are bad at supporting new recruits but I'm really not seeing this: I don't see the brusqueness or disrespect from what OP has posted.

It may be that she doesn't grasp the culture of the organisation. But it's extremely unorthodox to expect a written apology from a manager when the manager had very gently suggested that a task had not been completed to its specifications. Assuming that the OP is being honest about the way she pulled her up on it. And apparently this has happened in three separate instances.

It's conceivable that one of these three people could have been insensitive enough to require a written apology but it seems very unlikely that all three have. If I'd been this person I might have taken OP aside and said "just help me understand what I did wrong here". I can't imagine demanding a written apology.

And honestly requiring this degree of hand-holding just isn't sustainable in a commercial organisation.