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Super-sensitive new colleague: how to manage

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GustyFinknottle · 14/09/2023 21:07

I work in a sales and marketing team for a small company that doesn't have in-house HR. My manager has been on sick leave for five weeks and I, being the oldest and longest-serving member of the department, have been instructed to deal with this situation as best I can by my manager's manager (who is the company director/ owner).

Before he went off sick my manager recruited a young woman (a recent graduate) to work as an assistant. She's very conscientious and she seems super-sensitive about what I and my fellow colleagues would regard as normal work exchanges and feedback. It's a fairly relaxed environment and we understand that it takes a while to learn the systems and don't expect her to get everything right all the time.

Part of her work involves updating product specs. I was wfh a couple of weeks ago and couldn't find the updated version of a file I knew she'd been working on, so I emailed her saying 'Hi, I'm looking for the latest version of the XYZ file. Are you still working on it?' She responded that she had completed the task and uploaded the file. I took another look, still couldn't find it, so emailed asking her to double-check it was completed and she'd uploaded it. She said she had. It turned out, when I searched for it, that she'd accidentally changed the title and put it in the wrong folder. I called her to say I'd found it, told her what had happened and suggested it was something to look out for in the future. I assured her that it's still early days and that we've all done similar things. We laughed at how easy it was to do and that was that.

The following day I received an email telling me she felt I owed her an apology because I had accused her of not completing the work when she said she had. I responded in writing saying that I was sorry that was how she'd understood my words, but there was no accusation intended, I was just trying to work out where the file was. She came back saying she still thought I ought to apologise. I sat down with a cup of tea, wondered wtf was going on, gave it some thought and responded via email asking how how she'd like me to approach her in the future if something like this happened again. Her response was that if she tells me she's done something I need to trust that she has and not accuse her of lying, which she felt I had by asked her to double-check. She again asked for an apology in writing. I said I was sorry that she felt I was accusing her of not having completed the task and that seemed to satisfy her, but it was such a bizarre exchange that I haven't been able to relax around her since.

I thought I was the only one, but apparently something similar has been going on with two other colleagues. They've both been asked to apologise for the kind of functional communications that go on in every office I've worked in. They're both decent people who feel quite offended by her accusations. They've asked me to talk to her and have made it clear they feel that working with her is going to be a challenge. She is in week nine of a three month probationary period and this needs to be dealt with before the end of probation. My manager is off sick. I've asked the director for permission to involve the HR consultant and I'm waiting for a response, but I'd like to have a conversation with her in the next few days in order to put down a marker and then work out where to go from there.

Has anyone encountered anything like this? Is this a generational thing? I'm in my 50s, my other colleagues are at least 15 years older than her. Our adult children aren't like this but is this the new normal?

I was wondering about asking her if she was enjoying working here and seeing what she has to say. Would it be acceptable to say that I get the impression, from some of her communications with me and others, that she doesn't seem comfortable with the way our team communicates, and that's something she needs to work on? This is a pleasant place to work, everyone in the is pretty reasonable and good at what they do and we've been a good — and effective — team. Is it appropriate to alert her that being able to work comfortably with other team members, in an established office culture, is vital? That being able to handle reasonable requests and feedback from colleagues is all part of the job?

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SecretShambles · 15/09/2023 12:04

Jesus wept, you need to let her know who is in charge here and it isn't her. What an entitled brat.

Oldthyme · 15/09/2023 12:05

RunningUpThatBuilding · 14/09/2023 21:25

If you truly value the harmonious vibe in your office you will get rid. People like this are toxic. She clearly doesn't fit in with your company culture and values.

Get rid. Life is too short for bad apple in the barrel.

SalmonBelongInTheWater · 15/09/2023 12:10

Querypost · 15/09/2023 11:54

When someone junior is on probation and is clearly going to cause trouble, would you bother? They ain't gonna change. They aren't a good fit.

I would, if there was enough time left in the probationary period to see real change if it was gonna happen, yes. It's not that much bother to have a conversation with someone. Lots of people who are brand new to the workplace have no idea how to behave of handle social norms. I doubt this person is going to change but I would give them the opportunity to.

CherryMaDeara · 15/09/2023 12:15

Great outcome!

I hope her next employers also have the nous to get rid of her in her probation period, if she doesn't change.

CherryMaDeara · 15/09/2023 12:17

SalmonBelongInTheWater · 15/09/2023 12:10

I would, if there was enough time left in the probationary period to see real change if it was gonna happen, yes. It's not that much bother to have a conversation with someone. Lots of people who are brand new to the workplace have no idea how to behave of handle social norms. I doubt this person is going to change but I would give them the opportunity to.

I don't think 3 weeks is enough time to see any real change. Or she will pretend and then be back to her batshit ways by week 13.

Megifer · 15/09/2023 12:18

Great update op you've handled this really well 😊

Just be a bit mindful that as I said earlier, if this HR consultant is via an external company they will likely initially suggest you extend probation and give opportunity to improve OR that you give 24-48 hrs notice of the meeting in advance and to put in writing that the outcome of the meeting may be dismissal and offer right to be accompanied.

This is best practice but with short service employees without protected characteristics at play, the risk of doing a "tap on shoulder" dismissal is very very low to zero.

In these situations all an advance warning would achieve is give her time to go and get signed off with stress, dragging it out.

Ask the advisor what the specific legal risk is of taking a commercial decision in this situation by not giving notice of the meeting or not following a performance improvement plan - there won't be one.

And make arrangements to have access to IT systems revoked the second the meeting is over.

Good luck!

Twistyemily · 15/09/2023 12:23

GustyFinknottle · 15/09/2023 11:40

So many posts: thank you for your advice. Thank you in particular to the HR and legal people who responded in a step-by-step manner, really helpful.

I was up half the night worrying, particularly about being accused of bullying, so went into work early this morning and waylaid the MD in the car park. We went and had a coffee and I showed him the emails the new recruit had sent me and the others on the team. In one email to another colleague she'd demanded an apology and told him that he needed to develop some empathy or he would end up in trouble. The colleague that one was addressed is the most gentle, reasonable man imaginable. The MD read them, said the new recruit was a bully, asked me if she'd made mistakes (she has), told me I'd been far too reasonable to her and said that she needs to be removed asap. He's clear he doesn't want to get involved in the details.

I said I wasn't comfortable being expected to carry out a management role without a formal announcement that I hold a managerial position. He agreed to formalise the situation and an email has gone to all staff saying I'm acting manager for the department and will be assuming all my manager's duties while he's off. I negotiated a salary bump and he's said that in the light of what's happened he thought I could do with some management training and to find something suitable and book it. If anyone has any ideas, please let me know.

The MD is busy for the rest of the day but he's instructed the HR consultant to work with me to terminate the new recruit's employment asap, with a deadline of the end of next week. I'm having a meeting with the HR consultant after lunch to discuss how to do it and which of us will do it, although I think I'll hold out for both of us to be present and the interview to be scripted with her input.

Phew.

Sounds right to me. Well done for dealing with it Op. Yes, you and HR present for that meeting.
I meant to add that you might consider 'garden leave' for the notice period.

IfOn · 15/09/2023 12:26

What I find in these "tight knit" Small work places are a bunch of older people who have worked there for donkeys feeling threatened when someone (specifically a younger person) comes in.

Whenever I see jobs being advertised as "tight knit blah blah...", I steer far left.

She has a right to point out if she feels you were accusing her of something. You also have the right to explain yourself. Times are changing OP and you and your tight knit crew ain't gonna be working there forever.

So now that you and your little friends got her fired, hopefully your MD can hire another "older" member of staff that you can twiddle around as you please.

Mangotango39 · 15/09/2023 12:28

Great outcome op!!! Sounds like a great MD also.

Megifer · 15/09/2023 12:34

IfOn · 15/09/2023 12:26

What I find in these "tight knit" Small work places are a bunch of older people who have worked there for donkeys feeling threatened when someone (specifically a younger person) comes in.

Whenever I see jobs being advertised as "tight knit blah blah...", I steer far left.

She has a right to point out if she feels you were accusing her of something. You also have the right to explain yourself. Times are changing OP and you and your tight knit crew ain't gonna be working there forever.

So now that you and your little friends got her fired, hopefully your MD can hire another "older" member of staff that you can twiddle around as you please.

Nothing here suggests op or the team feel threatened, unless you mean the actual threat obvs 🤣

This new employee just sounds like a total liability and a nightmare, and had already been given constructive feedback to improve - normal - and has handled that terribly by showing very concerning conduct in week 9!

like it or not the MD has an obligation to other staff members to deal with disruptive employees. This employee hasnt just had an off day they have been continually problematic.

MrsDanversGlidesAgain · 15/09/2023 12:35

Whenever I see jobs being advertised as "tight knit blah blah...", I steer far left

And given your attitude to older people in the workplace I'm sure they'd be grateful if they knew what a bullet they'd dodged.

Megifer · 15/09/2023 12:40

And older people? Op said some of them are only 15 years older than this employee so that's what, 36ish? And 50 isn't old either.

This isn't an age thing its a common courtesy and conduct thing. If this employee had been asked by their tutor to double check shed uploaded coursework I doubt the tutor would have got that attitude and accusations 🙄

FrangipaniBlue · 15/09/2023 12:42

willWillSmithsmith · 15/09/2023 11:31

@FrangipaniBlue I still don’t really understand why you are infantilising grad students (who are adults). Last year I did some casual work and one of the young workers was only fifteen. She was an absolute delight and a hard worker. If she can behave like this why can’t a twenty something grad?

Because people are not all identical little robots.

They have different personalities and respond differently to be spoken to in different ways.

Being a good manager is being able to understand that and respond accordingly.

AliOlis · 15/09/2023 12:45

IfOn · 15/09/2023 12:26

What I find in these "tight knit" Small work places are a bunch of older people who have worked there for donkeys feeling threatened when someone (specifically a younger person) comes in.

Whenever I see jobs being advertised as "tight knit blah blah...", I steer far left.

She has a right to point out if she feels you were accusing her of something. You also have the right to explain yourself. Times are changing OP and you and your tight knit crew ain't gonna be working there forever.

So now that you and your little friends got her fired, hopefully your MD can hire another "older" member of staff that you can twiddle around as you please.

You sound like you would be an asset to any workplace. I'll bet they're queuing round the block to headhunt you.

MrsDanversGlidesAgain · 15/09/2023 12:45

Being a good manager is being able to understand that and respond accordingly

From the perspective of 45 years in the workplace I can say that good managers are about as common as dinosaur poop. OP sounds better than most I've encountered and her MD is a legend.

Epidote · 15/09/2023 12:46

Next time ask for the link.
She own you an apology for save the file in the wrong folder.

MrsDanversGlidesAgain · 15/09/2023 12:47

So now that you and your little friends got her fired

Those 'little friends' you're so snotty about are colleagues and workers whose welfare the OP is considering - and rightly so.

Recption1 · 15/09/2023 12:48

IfOn · 15/09/2023 12:26

What I find in these "tight knit" Small work places are a bunch of older people who have worked there for donkeys feeling threatened when someone (specifically a younger person) comes in.

Whenever I see jobs being advertised as "tight knit blah blah...", I steer far left.

She has a right to point out if she feels you were accusing her of something. You also have the right to explain yourself. Times are changing OP and you and your tight knit crew ain't gonna be working there forever.

So now that you and your little friends got her fired, hopefully your MD can hire another "older" member of staff that you can twiddle around as you please.

a bunch of older people

You sound ageist, which would get you fired in most work places, you do know that?

MathiasBroucek · 15/09/2023 12:53

Good outcome. Even if the HR consultant can't make the meeting, I strongly recommend you do it with a colleague alongside you so you have a) support and b) a witness in case she tries to make trouble

Flakey99 · 15/09/2023 12:54

WTF?

So she does know that she made two mistakes, firstly by changing the name of the file and then compounded that error by mis-filing it. However, instead of apologising and thinking about what can be done to ensure she doesn’t repeat these errors, as a normally conscientious new recruit would do, she wants you to apologise to her??

Stop wasting everyone’s time here and take steps to terminate her employment. If she has specific issues with taking onboard any reasonable criticism, it’s up to her to resolve that in her own time, not her employer or her colleagues.

MrsDanversGlidesAgain · 15/09/2023 12:59

Which, if you RTT, is exactly what is going to happen.

Flakey99 · 15/09/2023 13:00

IfOn · 15/09/2023 12:26

What I find in these "tight knit" Small work places are a bunch of older people who have worked there for donkeys feeling threatened when someone (specifically a younger person) comes in.

Whenever I see jobs being advertised as "tight knit blah blah...", I steer far left.

She has a right to point out if she feels you were accusing her of something. You also have the right to explain yourself. Times are changing OP and you and your tight knit crew ain't gonna be working there forever.

So now that you and your little friends got her fired, hopefully your MD can hire another "older" member of staff that you can twiddle around as you please.

It’s obvious that you have zero experience of managing a group of staff with such a simplistic attitude. 😂

In this case, the staff member made two serious errors but instead of owning it, she tried to shift the blame. She’s not a team player in any sense. No-one wants a person like that working in their team, regardless of how many extra hours work they put in.

NeunundneunzigHorseBallonz · 15/09/2023 13:00

What a fab outcome for you! Your MD is a star!

GrinAndVomit · 15/09/2023 13:00

I hope she’s able to reflect and learn from this before starting her next job… sadly, I doubt it.

OVienna · 15/09/2023 13:01

Whatever you do, don't meet with her one on one.

I'm not at all clear on your MD being a 'legend' - wanting her "removed asap" but "not interested in the details." It's good there is an HR consultant to join you but I hope whoever it is, is clear on employment law not just for this situation but going forward.

I'd be curious under what circumstances this person with a very active imagination (esp when it comes to perceived slights) could come up with a discrimination allegation or two.

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