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Help my adult son is being bullied at work.

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Shehasadiamondinthesky · 29/03/2021 22:02

I feel so helpless, I can't go round there and knock her lights out as he's an adult but my motherly instinct to protect him is strong.
He's worked in a government office for 12 years, always had great performance reviews but he does have a history of mental illness that so far has been controlled very well, there was a very serious suicide attempt 14 years ago but somehow he survived.
Roll on the last few months he has a new female manager, young inexperienced, lots of red flags with regard to her behaviour and things she says about other employees, really unprofessional things. She sounds like a total sociopath.
She has bullied him so badly he is suicidal again, she says occupational health can overturn his doctors letter saying he is not fit for work, that he has to call her once a week for a two hour frilling on his performance and if he is unable to finish due to distress they have to continue the next day.
He is seriously mentally ill and just can't cope with his, he is on the phone every night saying he can't cope any more.
Like every seasoned sociopath she is seen to send him sympathetic emails but says she doesn't give him permission to record these interviews, that he cannot have anyone with him, he must be alone when she calls and I can see he is slowly losing his mind.
I don't know what to do or how to help him, surely she can't be allowed to fire questions at him for 2 hours while he is ill like this, he can barely remember his own name.
Does anyone know what the legal stance is on this.
She tells HR that she is "helping" him, she isn't. I listened into to one of these conversations and it was awful that a mentally ill person would have to go through this.
i just don't know what to do, it's distressing for the whole family and we are so worried about him.

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EarringsandLipstick · 29/03/2021 22:36

I said he needs to leave asap and start looking for another job

How can he look for another job if he's so mentally unwell?

He needs to get urgent help & then recover. Focus on that.

Fafferly · 29/03/2021 22:36

That's awful. Could you speak on behalf to ACAS? She should not be doing this and if he resigns I think he'd have a case for constructive dismissal. I doubt she will survive this - document everything you can and write down what she is saying.

Bluntness100 · 29/03/2021 22:37

He needs to email hr and say he’s not well enough to take the calls they are detrimental to his health and his doctor can validate this. All communication to written going forward.

HotPenguin · 29/03/2021 22:39

Yes this is completely wrong. If your son works for the government there may be an employee assistance scheme which can offer him advice and help on dealing with this. In the short term the priority is to prevent this awful woman having any more negative impact on your son so I would encourage him to send a polite email saying he does not wish to speak to her on the phone while he is signed off.

Anon778833 · 29/03/2021 22:39

Yes, it’s great advice to keep things in writing but also to copy in other people! Because it makes it harder for them to be unprofessional when others are also reading.

Shehasadiamondinthesky · 29/03/2021 22:39

As I said lipstick I don't onject to check in calls but I listened in to the last one and she absolutely shattered him, it was two hours of grilling him about his performance, he can't cope with that right now - it is not a check in call - it is a something else entirely.
A normal empathetic person would NOT do that to someone who has had a breakdown with a history of suicide.
It was two hours of nastiness. What normal person behaves like that then frightens a sick man into believing he is not going to get paid for his sick leave?
Of course I'm angry, it took me years to get over the suicide attempt and I am very protective of him now. Would you say that if it was your son being bullied to his death?

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pinkypink24 · 29/03/2021 22:39

Didn't want to read and run Thanks I suffered with a kind of mental breakdown ( anxiety related ) from similar situation at work from how my manager was treating me. I got signed off sick & wrote up full notes documenting every single episode of what I classed as bullying/ unprofessional conduct from the manager. It resulted in a meeting with HR, me, bullying boss's manager & bullying boss. Needless to say the behaviour didn't continue after that.

OP if I was you I would contact HR on his behalf. She is WAY out of line. These kind of people have absolutely no idea of the effect this has on people. So cruel x

nothingcanhurtmewithmyeyesshut · 29/03/2021 22:40

If he is off sick then she doesn't have any say in who is in his house during these 'check ins.'

I'd be present and see what is actually being said. And I'd record it. Its inadmissible in court without permission but you aren't trying to prove a crime.

Play it back to HR and tell them that the content of these reviews constitutes harassment, see what they say. Really spell it out how unwell he is and that this manager is bullying him in his own home while off sick.

cansu · 29/03/2021 22:40

I have just checked ACAS website and there is something on there that these supposed keeping in touch things do not have to be calls. He needs to write to HR and say he is too unwell for these phone calls and will switch to email contact. I would also be tempted to describe these checking in calls so that there can be no doubt that what she is doing is harassment. The calls are supposed to be supportive!

WiseOwlOne · 29/03/2021 22:42

Agree, if he has a doctor's certificate it's not for her to keep ringing him.

EarringsandLipstick · 29/03/2021 22:42

@Shehasadiamondinthesky

I'm sorry you and DS are in this situation.

I've told you what I'd do. In my first post.

It's not complicated to deal with the manager - sick cert submitted, don't take calls. It's very clear.

Obviously your son's MH is far more serious & complicated. Deal with that. There is nothing to be gained by speaking aggressively about his manager & calling her a sociopath, regardless of your upset.

pinkypink24 · 29/03/2021 22:44

Like PP said ... 100% record her. And send to HR. I wouldn't be arsed whether you had her permission or not in these circumstances.

Who the hell does she think she is? And why must he be on his own to take the call? Because she's doing wrong & she knows it.

I'm fucking fuming on your behalf OP 🤬 I just wish your son was strong enough to stand up to her eventually like I was 🤬🤬🤬🤬

sunnydaleslayer · 29/03/2021 22:45

If it's a government agency then there will be a union. If he's not in it he should join now.

And don't take her calls. If he has to speak to HR once a week while sick then he should contact HR directly and bypass her completely.

DaveDave · 29/03/2021 22:45

This is dreadful behaviour on her part. The poor man. Please do not let him quit, and he needs to stop taking her phone calls. There is nothing right about this situation.

Shehasadiamondinthesky · 29/03/2021 22:45

I said he needs to leave asap and start looking for another job

How can he look for another job if he's so mentally unwell?

He needs to get urgent help & then recover. Focus on that.

Yes I am fully aware of that thank you. He is inbetween a rock and a hard place right now. He is receiving treatment and I am foccusing on that but he says he can't go back but needs to pay his rent, somehow. You are being very critical lipstick, quite frankly I can do without this right now.
I work full time in the NHS as a medical professional and have done for 40 years and have never experienced anything like this from a manager before.
He is trying to get help and recover - how can he do this if this woman is haranguing him on the phone for hours.
Please if you haven't anything useful to say please refrain from commenting. I am asking for proper advice I don't need people telling me there is something wrong with me and that I should let my son recover etc. i am having to take three weeks off from covid frontline work to go and sort this out and be with him.

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Babygotblueyes · 29/03/2021 22:45

Sounds like he has grounds for a grievance if she is not following the rules. 2 hours for a check in is too much. He needs independent advice - union or acas - I would not trust HR to be much help to be honest.

minou123 · 29/03/2021 22:47

Hi OP, yiu say he works in a government office, is he a Civil Servant?

lemmein · 29/03/2021 22:47

I don't have any advice of where he stands with this, but would suggest your son screenshots a record of every call she makes to him showing the duration. 2 hour phone calls is not reasonable at all.

I really feel for your son, and you - as a mum to adult children myself I can totally understand you being torn between wanting to protect him but not wanting to make him look like a 'mummy's boy' - tough situation. I too would want to bray her all over - seeing your kids hurt, no matter how old they are, doesn't exactly bring out the rational side of us 🙈

I hope he gets this sorted and finds some peace; absolutely nothing is more important than his MH Thanks

EarringsandLipstick · 29/03/2021 22:47

You are being very critical lipstick, quite frankly I can do without this right now

I'm really not. You mustn't be reading my posts. I've sympathised & offered advice.

However, if that's not helpful to you at the moment, that's fine.

I hope your son gets better soon. Focus on his health & not what you perceive the manager's shortcomings to be.

EarringsandLipstick · 29/03/2021 22:49

Please if you haven't anything useful to say please refrain from commenting

Again, you mustn't be reading my posts. I've given clear, unambiguous advice, that is useful & based on my own experience of managing people who are unwell.

I can imagine your distress & I guess you may not be taking in all the posts.

DaveDave · 29/03/2021 22:52

Sorry just to expand - I think he is better staying off sick and focusing on his recovery. Looking for a new job is stressful, let alone starting a new one. He needs to be signed off sick so he can focus solely on his recovery. Then he can look for a new job when he is stronger. And no more calls with that lady.

RandomMess · 29/03/2021 22:54

ThanksThanksThanksThanksThanks

I have skim read he needs to join a union. He needs to email her and HR and say he is not currently well enough to take phone calls and can only manage communication by email for the time being.

Thepennyhasdroppedq · 29/03/2021 22:56

I feel so sorry for your son, trying his best with his mental health in a very successful job. The manager probably is a sociopath. Are any of the other staff members complaining about her? Has he spoke to HR?

boon · 29/03/2021 22:58

He needs to join the union ASAP. And tell them everything that has happened.

RandomMess · 29/03/2021 22:59

He can file a complaint of bullying against her. I strongly suggest he joins the union first then does it.

Anyway sideways moves even to a lower grade a possibility even if elsewhere perhaps near you?

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