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Formal Complaint of Racism- Help!

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OhBollocksFuck · 26/10/2016 11:14

I've NC as this is quite outing.

I work in the back office (10 people, all women, desk work) doing logistics for delivery drivers (27 people, mostly men, out and about all day).

We've had a bloke called Steve (not his real name) working as a delivery driver for years. Steve is black. Then another Steve came. So the original Steve became known as 'black Steve', which he's completely fine with, and new Steve became 'white Steve' which he's also fine with. We also have 'Short Trev' and 'Tall Trev' for two blokes called Trev. They're descriptions just to differentiate.

A new woman has started in the back office with us and asked me the other day what to do with an order which needed express sending. I told her to give it to 'black Steve' for various reasons. She's seemed quite nice, a little bit up-tight perhaps but that's usual when starting a new place.

Fast-forward to today and my manager has called me in the office to let me know that this new woman has put in a complaint about me using racist language. He's arranged a formal meeting with me and her for next Friday to talk through the complaint and see 'where we go' (his words). I'm in a union so I've got a union representative coming with me but I'm completely flawed by it.

I don't know what to do. I'm trying to remain calm and professional with this woman but I'm angry and upset. I don't want to mention anything to black Steve but, at the same time, it feels odd that there's all this going on with him being at the centre but him not really knowing. I also know that if I did mention it some of the drivers would take issue with her and I don't want them to get themselves into any trouble either.

I don't know what I'm asking really TBH. just some words of wisdom and advice from MNers would be breat!

OP posts:
LadySpratt · 01/11/2016 20:26

Does your manager refer to the Steves and the Trevs in the same way too? If so, remind him in the meeting.
I like Midnight's use of the word 'entrenched'.
Good luck.

Givememorewine · 01/11/2016 20:34

OP you are completely in the right here. I hope new woman gets her arse handed to her and quits

PoisonWitch · 01/11/2016 20:54

Black Steve could legit out in a complaint about her behaviour if he wanted to. I'm not keen on the nicknames personally but who am I to tell them what to think.

DiegeticMuch · 01/11/2016 22:26

I suspect that she'll resign soon.

Amandahugandkisses · 01/11/2016 23:37

This new woman has some balls doesn't she!
I really hope this nonsense resolves itself for you OP what a nightmare.

roarfeckingroar · 02/11/2016 09:30

I have nothing to add aside to say I agree with Bubble on everything. There is nothing wrong with using skin colour as a distinguishing characteristic, just as I would say the woman with black hair.

DoloresVanCartier · 03/11/2016 09:23

So, has it then been established (excuse my ignorance) that whilst unpalatable for the complainer, OP has not been racist as she has referred to the correct steve she wants the delivery to go to by using a distinctive characteristic to describe him? Much like saying tall steve and short steve?
Has the complainer been racist by bringing up the complaint to only this steve and not white steve?
OP are you going to be using any of this when you have your meeting that it's not racist?

Kirriemuir · 03/11/2016 17:34

So is the meeting tomorrow OP? Hope it all goes ok.

PlentyOfPubeGardens · 03/11/2016 23:42

Good luck!

MerylPeril · 04/11/2016 09:20

Good luck today OP! Flowers

DoloresVanCartier · 04/11/2016 09:39

Good luck OP!! Let us know what happens.

AnchorDownDeepBreath · 04/11/2016 09:49

Best of luck today.

DramaQueenofHighCs · 04/11/2016 16:13

Hope the meeting went well OP!

DoloresVanCartier · 04/11/2016 19:35

Any news OP?

MerylPeril · 05/11/2016 13:06

No news?!?

SinisterBumFacedCat · 07/11/2016 00:32

Marking place just in case

ThisIsReallyNotMyName · 07/11/2016 01:02

Seriously, just because everyone has been saying black Steve and white Steve really doesn't make it acceptable.

DoloresVanCartier · 07/11/2016 09:53

Not acceptable in your opinion. Black steve can refer to himself any way he wishes and if he introduces himself as Black steve, wants to be referred to as that, then frankly it's got nothing to do with you.

DramaQueenofHighCs · 07/11/2016 13:53

No update? Now I'm worried! (Because if anything bad OP has probably been told she's not allowed to talk about it.)

ThisIsReallyNotMyName · 08/11/2016 00:28

Delores but 'Black Steve' didn't introduce himself as such. So go boil your head!

BubbleGumBubble · 08/11/2016 06:59

Delores but 'Black Steve' didn't introduce himself as such. So go boil your head!

OPs second post on this thread.

Black Steve was the one who 'suggested' it. He was introduced to white Steve like 'Steve this is Steve' and black Steve put his hand out to shake and said 'black Steve, nice to meet you'. This was about six years ago.

So maybe you need to go boil your head Thisis Hmm

DoloresVanCartier · 08/11/2016 13:55

Thank you bubble.

This is - perhaps an apology from you for your aged 7 retort and suggestion?

Thisjustinno · 08/11/2016 17:01

The issue here isn't whether or not Steve doesn't mind or came up with it himself - it's that another employee perceived it as offensive.

'Wheelchair Dave' might be alright with being called that or 'gay Tom'. It's whether or not its appropriate in the workplace and whether or not everyone is happy to refer to people they work with like that.

And as an aside; I've flagged up sexist comments which contribute harassment in workplaces when lots of other women say it's fine, it's just banter, oh I like it when he calls me that or 'it's quite flattering' really. Just because they don't mind or even encourage it; doesn't mean it's fine.

BubbleGumBubble · 08/11/2016 17:25

Is there an apology to Dolores somewhere in that lot?

Oh and the word black is not offensive or racist. It only becomes so if used with intent to harm or disadvantage. Which it clearly is not in this case.

Thisjustinno · 08/11/2016 17:37

Do you mean me? I haven't directed anything to Dolores so I haven't got anything to apologise for.