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Formal Complaint of Racism- Help!

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OhBollocksFuck · 26/10/2016 11:14

I've NC as this is quite outing.

I work in the back office (10 people, all women, desk work) doing logistics for delivery drivers (27 people, mostly men, out and about all day).

We've had a bloke called Steve (not his real name) working as a delivery driver for years. Steve is black. Then another Steve came. So the original Steve became known as 'black Steve', which he's completely fine with, and new Steve became 'white Steve' which he's also fine with. We also have 'Short Trev' and 'Tall Trev' for two blokes called Trev. They're descriptions just to differentiate.

A new woman has started in the back office with us and asked me the other day what to do with an order which needed express sending. I told her to give it to 'black Steve' for various reasons. She's seemed quite nice, a little bit up-tight perhaps but that's usual when starting a new place.

Fast-forward to today and my manager has called me in the office to let me know that this new woman has put in a complaint about me using racist language. He's arranged a formal meeting with me and her for next Friday to talk through the complaint and see 'where we go' (his words). I'm in a union so I've got a union representative coming with me but I'm completely flawed by it.

I don't know what to do. I'm trying to remain calm and professional with this woman but I'm angry and upset. I don't want to mention anything to black Steve but, at the same time, it feels odd that there's all this going on with him being at the centre but him not really knowing. I also know that if I did mention it some of the drivers would take issue with her and I don't want them to get themselves into any trouble either.

I don't know what I'm asking really TBH. just some words of wisdom and advice from MNers would be breat!

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hellejuice91 · 14/12/2016 18:36

When it comes to nicknames at work you have to be really careful. Even if someone seems fine with it one day, they may not the next (for instance if they were disciplined etc). They can claim bullying. This gets even worse when you go into one of the protected characteristics.

I know that it wasn't Steve that made the complaint, but her complaint is still relevant. You should use his surname or if really necessary some other characteristic for instance bald Steve or hairy Steve.

Even then I would always avoid nicknames.

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OhBollocksFuck · 20/11/2016 14:24

SoleBizzz He thinks it's all ridiculous but he was pretty confident about it from the start. I mean, he didn't really think anything would come of it given that the 'racism' was endemic, that the manager has used the nicknames etc. My DH is pretty level-headed and he calmed me down lots.

He found the idea of me being racist ridiculous. Now he finds it quite funny. Once I'd calmed down a bit, he started calling me Enoch. This seems to have stuck Confused.

He was keen to come in just after the complaint had been made to pick me up. But I said I didn't want to roll out my mixed race DH as evidence of me not being racist. I didn't want to use him like that and, plus, just because my DH is mixed race isn't some kind of guarantee that I'm not racist at work.

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OliviaStabler · 18/11/2016 10:04

Glad all worked out.

That woman will not last long in the office. By handling this situation so badly, she has marked her card and no one will trust her again.

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SoleBizzz · 17/11/2016 23:26

OP what are your Husbands feelings about it all?

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woodhill · 17/11/2016 22:48

How could you ever trust someone like that. Hopefully she will leave the company.

Glad you got a positive outcome OP.

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MerylPeril · 17/11/2016 22:26

So pleased for you OP I've been thinking about you!

Woman is barking up the wrong tree trying to make friends now? Confused

But yay for you!

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IhatchedaSnorlax · 17/11/2016 18:51

Glad it's worked out well for you Op.

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DramaQueenofHighCs · 17/11/2016 16:25

Glad it all worked out well OP - I've been thinking of you.

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Kirriemuir · 17/11/2016 16:23

Good outcome OP. She has a brass neck asking to be friends afterwards though. Sounds like you work with a good group of people.

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OhBollocksFuck · 17/11/2016 14:06

Thanks everyone Yep, pretty relieved and pleased it's all over.

And thanks for everyone's support on this thread Smile

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LumelaMme · 17/11/2016 13:03

Good for you and Steve. Glad the outcome was a sensible one.

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Arkengarthdale · 17/11/2016 12:58

Thanks for coming back to us.

I don't agree that Steve's come off worse. I think the woman will find that she will never be part of the friendly team, she will find herself an outsider while being treated in a perfectly professional way by everyone. I wouldn't be surprised if friendly overtures were met by exactly the op's response - we'll be professional but we'll never be friends.

Bet she won't stay that long. Hope she doesn't stay that long! She really upset the apple cart and it was handled so badly. Yes, the nicknames perhaps should have been phased out (let's face it, it was pretty old-fashioned, to say the least) but there are better ways than this.

Love Steve's handling of it. I hope he's going to be hypersensitive to any suggestion of different treatment from this woman in future - and makes a formal complaint of racism Grin

Glad you stuck with it, it's a great outcome for you. Not that you should ever have been in the situation of needing an outcome!

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pklme · 17/11/2016 12:14

I expect something else will happen to make this old news soon, and it will be forgotten. I hope Black Steve is able to relax and forget about it, he seems to have come off worst, really.

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aginghippy · 17/11/2016 11:43

You must be glad it's all over OP. Hopefully, everyone will settle down after a while.

I wonder what her previous workplaces must have been like, if she thinks launching straight into a formal complaint is the way resolve these things. As you say, in most places the first step would be a word with the person concerned, or maybe with the manager if someone doesn't feel comfortable approaching the person directly.

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ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 17/11/2016 11:25

That's great news OP, and I'm glad commin sense prevailed. Glad Steve was also asked for his opinion.

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MagikarpetRide · 17/11/2016 11:15

Good news op Flowers

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amistillsexy · 17/11/2016 11:13

It sounds as of common sense prevailed in the end. I'm glad you had a chance to state your case. It must have been a difficult time for you. ☺

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OhBollocksFuck · 17/11/2016 11:10

BubbleGum Exactly. She said it seemed like a really friendly place to work. The irony is, it was before she started making formal complaints.

Obviously people have had issues in the past but they've always been solved with a word with the person or even a meeting with the manager and all parties but not escalated to formal complaint straight away.

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BubbleGumBubble · 17/11/2016 11:06

At least there is no further action.
I feel very sorry for you and Steve and agree with everything he said.

Funny thing is there was no problem of racism/harassement/bad relationships before this women decided to make a formal complaint. Yet now Steve feels singled out his colour has been used agaibst him and there is a division in the work place.

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MegCleary · 17/11/2016 10:16

Thanks for the update. Been wondering what would occur. Steve sounds quite sensible. While I see the lady's point who complained but perhaps not handled the best.

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OhBollocksFuck · 17/11/2016 10:03

Meeting was shifted to 8:30am today, not sure why it had to be cancelled on Tuesday, something to do with the union.

It was weird. She, then me, went through our version of events. I made it clear I wasn’t going to be scapegoated for behaviour that’s endemic in the office (and presented my notes of everyone who’s called other colleagues potentially inappropriate nicknames in the last few weeks) but that I recognised some of our nicknames weren’t appropriate in a work place.

Then Steve was asked how he felt and he really let rip. He said he felt singled out but her complaint and by the manager, was pissed off that he had to attend today all just because he’s black. He said his colour had never been an issue previously but now all attention was on him because he’s black. He questioned whether that’s a bit, well, racist. She apologised that she’d made him feel that way but made it clear she felt
unprofessional and, potentially racist, nicknames needed to be stopped. He said she had no right to define what was racist and not or to speak on behalf of black people because they might be offended. That, he said, was patronising and racist because black people can speak for themselves. She then started to defend this but he said it was part of bigger issue in society which he didn’t want to discuss at this meeting.

I then gave a letter of apology to her for an offense I might have caused. I also gave one to Steve which he took, read and ripped up whilst laughing.

Then the attention turned on the manager, his handling of this situation, his use of potentially offensive terms, his dragging Steven into this. We all put the boot in a bit and the union representatives really went to work on him. I felt a bit bad for him actually.

Anyway, outcome is that no further action’s being taken and there’ll be nothing on my record about this (no verbal warning etc, everyone at the meeting agreed this was okay); manager needs to arrange for all staff to go on an ‘Inclusivity’ training course in the New Year (that won’t happen!); we need to make efforts to avoid potentially offensive terms. Steve said he doesn’t find being called ‘black Steve’ offensive.

The weirdest part was that after the meeting the woman came to me and Steve, said that the workplace seems really friendly and she’d like to make a fresh start with us all and be friends. I told her I’d be perfectly professional with her but we’d never be friends. I told her that if she’d wanted to make friends at work, the best way to do that wasn’t to start off making a formal complaint about a colleague. Steve told her the drivers are probably sexist but are fiercely loyal to the office women.

Anyway, the atmosphere in the office is odd. Everyone knows what’s happened. I haven’t talked about it but Steve’s told all the drivers and they’ve all called women in the office to tell them. So everyone knows what’s happened. The atmosphere is weird, kind of tense but also a sense of bubbling excitement for some reason Confused.


I'm relieved it won't be taken any further.

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RebootYourEngine · 16/11/2016 13:07

Hope all is well Flowers

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PotOfYoghurt · 16/11/2016 09:30

Hope it had a positive outcome op.

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pklme · 16/11/2016 08:42

Wondering what happened... Hope you are ok, OP.

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MissSynful · 15/11/2016 21:40

placemarking. Have been reading this thread from the start and need to know how it pans out for OP. (Good luck). As a person of bme I think this type of nonsense that fuels people to vote Trump/Farage etc. Its not racism by any stretch of the imagination, perhaps inappropriate for a workplace and even then depends upon the type of workplace imo. No one has been been treated unfavourably due to their race and no malice has been intended.

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