Rishi Sunak said…

I thought we were well past " be kind" are we still there then?
Being kind was what brought us to this point.

I dont remember anyone asking me in 19mumblemumble if I was ok with (as they were called then) transsexuals being in my toilets.
But all women being kind to the tiny number of transsexuals since womens toilets were a thing, means we have arrived at this moment in time when children are being actively harmed, sports are a joke, the NHS is captured and we now have given notice, no more kindness. It leads to this complete shitshow.

We give an inch (tiny number of trans in our toilets) they take a mile (thought policing us, men in our rape shelters, women raped in hospital wards, women damaged in sports, and children given puberty blockers and double mastectomies and permanently irrevocably made infertile)
No more. No more men in any women only spaces. If some children are upset, that's the adults fault for letting them think they really can change sex.

I thought we were well past " be kind" are we still there then?

Generally when it comes to children, mocking them is considered unacceptable.

Like political parties, unions will have some policies individuals agree with, and other views they don't. Plenty on this board will vote Tory on trans rights because that's their top issue. My top issue is teaching conditions and underfunding, which the NEU act well on

Women’s rights…

My top issue was who was cheapest and nasuwt gave me a year free and their subs are cheaper thereafter lol

Sadly they turn out to be rather inept at running a ballot and pretty weak at negotiating.

What are the Tories doing about that?

@RoyGBivisacolorfulman I don't think it matters tbh, the tories know that women don't have penises. I'm old enough to remember when the government had to be bullied by a millionaire footballer into providing meals for kids - the tories rightly asked what of these children's parents, why can't these mothers and fathers afford to ostensibly feed their own kids, they shouted. It was not lost on me that by saying this they demonstrated biological knowledge that to become 'parents' it takes a man and a woman to have a baby. None of this skirting the issue with talk of 'caregivers'.

Footballers tend to be very generous with taxpayers money.

chosen gender identity

that's an interesting turn of phrase. I didn't think it was a choice? Isn't it innate?

If it is a choice then why are we removing sex based rights as a result?

You're mistaking me for someone who believes in gendered souls.

I just find your position puzzling giraffe, if you don't believe in gendered souls and know affirming gender is harmful why do you think continuing harm is the best response?

Think I was just speaking up to challenge the idea that is common for teachers to be promoting gender ideology or transient kids.

I think, but correct me if I’m wrong, Noble is just saying she’ll use the pronouns people above her have told her to use for a child and wouldn’t want to be a part of mocking that child or confronting them and beyond not doing that she focuses on her actual job of teaching them her subject which is maths I believe.

As an ethics teacher I’m about teaching critical thinking and considering issues from all angles and am more comfortable with discussing contentious issues and presenting challenging ideas-that’s my job. I avoid trans ideology and issues if possible but if forced to discuss I will do so from all angles, I’m quite happy to talk about women’s history and the importance of sex based rights, I’m quite happy to tell them about lesbian history and the impact the tras have had on lesbian spaces, I’m happy to talk about why the ideology can be seen as homophobic and misogynistic or reinforcing of sex stereotypes and therefore arguably regressive. And I’d feel safe in doing so and also talking about gender dysphoria, the history of both gender non conformity and different approaches to dysphoria, the move to gender identity and broadening of definitions etc.

I’m trained for facilitating controversial conversations and I’m knowledgeable about all of the above. Most people, including teachers, don’t know about all the groups involved and the implications or understand what a conflict of rights is and how we’ve dealt with them previously eg. Religion and sexuality and the kind of test cases and processes that had to be gone through as a result of that clash. Most people wouldn’t be equipped for those conversations nor should they have to be. The majority of teachers just want to teach the subject they signed up to teach and not be made responsible for every societal issue.

I personally asked to review all of the rse curriculum and asked questions as a parent and would have withdrawn my son or sought changes if he was being exposed to the promotion of ideology in the ways people are citing on here. If these things are happening are you writing formal complaints, escalating to governors if ignored, putting your views on ofsted surveys?

Just slagging off teachers and lumping them all together as captured and trying to trans people does nothing and really doesn’t reflect reality. Tackle the instances where you find them.

I haven't said that continuing harm is the best response. I've said that I don't think a whole school assembly announcing the end of respecting preferred pronouns and the invalidity of gender identity is the best response.

I've asked people here what they would like to happen in schools. There doesn't seem to be a coherent position, which is interesting.

This seems a start to me

Just slagging off teachers and lumping them all together as captured and trying to trans people does nothing and really doesn’t reflect reality. Tackle the instances where you find them.

This.

What's also interesting is that FWR is generally very concerned about vulnerable autistic girls when they are being fed gender ideology, and the impact of that, but not so much concern about the impact of reverting them to sex-based pronouns amid whole school announcements that we don't do that sort of thing anymore.

Why an assembly? And why jump to another extreme? That’s not what education is.

the discussion needs broadening and more viewpoints and protected characteristics being represented in it if it must be a school issue. That’s how we’d normally handle these things but because government and media etc got captured by lobby groups society as a whole has had that broader conversation stifled.

until government and the media and the courts get their shit together everyone has been forced to stifle conversation and debate.

This is bigger than schools and schools have to follow guidance.

need to know that by using ‘preferred pronouns’ and ‘trans’ names, they are engaging in social transition

So now we are expected to not use preferred names either? Upthread someone was saying that was fine, it was pronouns that were objectionable.

Like I said, interesting that there's no coherent position here.

I think there are issues in schools, and the left in general are likely to be pro gender ideology whether it be unions or Labour.

Teachers are likely reacting to or further creating the ideology but if it’s stamped out they won’t be able to which is what I’d prefer in schools.

So this change needs to filter down from government which is why I hope Labour don’t get in. They won’t do that.

Rishi is making statements that are fairly rare these days when compared with NZ, Canada, SNP etc around biological reality, which is crazy but there we are. Too many just went along with it. Not anymore though.