Taskmaster: if you don’t use ‘correct’ pronouns you’re a philistine…

[Sugarleaf]

…Who’s stuck in the past. To be ‘cool and curious’ you need to use non- biological sex based pronouns. And this is about a ‘certain generation.’ I mean I’m 32 and think it’s bollocks.

plus, as a bonus, ‘if you don’t like me, fine, as long as you use my correct pronouns.’

ffs

What you, or Chloe or whoever, is asking is that someone who doesn’t share your belief alters their behaviour to align with it. How far do you take that?

And that information would be relevant in a thread about Nina.

“The point you are missing is using them as a sign of acknowledgment of another's right to individuality isn't a belief statement or even agreement in those choices.”

There is no way to untangle this contradiction. One person’s right to individuality doesn’t override another person’s right to choose whether they are going to act as if they support that belief that means a change of language from reflecting material reality to gender identity belief or not.

There is no way to avoid the logic that someone using the opposite sex language for someone is acting as if you believe that person has somehow changed sex in some way. Can you name another group of people who get to acquire the language terms used by others and make it then mean the opposite to what it was intended all based on their philosophical belief and have the power of societal expectation that this is acceptable?

No its not contradictory because noone is pressuring you to believe something to perform a social convention as you are suggesting using pronouns does.

Oh that's why they did those stupid adverts! Saying letters of the Greek alphabet as the pronouns/titles of the participants. (Like calling them by the Greek letter their name starts with) Then at the end they show her and say 'and a Chloe..'

We routinely alter our behaviour when we perform social conventions we don't necessarily want to but do to maintain social cohesion. This is no different.

Oh. Really.

So just being pressured to act as if you believe is acceptable to you ?

That a person acts as if they believe while not believing at all and this is to be expected and apparently this is not social pressure is a remarkably incoherent position.

Please list some examples.

What social convention are you talking about?

As far as I know there is no social convention which suggests that I should refer to a woman who is pretending that she doesn't have a sex as 'they'.

intended

We already did this with feminism remember? if you are going to lean on tradition you can't expect to call yourself a feminist & be taken seriously.

Words that have more than one meaning isn't anything new.

So we're not expected to believe she doesn't have a sex, but we're expected to do what? Pretend to believe it? Or lie?

I live in a country with unsexed pronouns.

But I don’t consider myself non-binary.

How do you suggest I make the stubborn natives start showing me some damned respect?

For billionth time, sex & gender mean two different things.

Nobody has a right to conceal their sex.

Chloe might be so misogynistic that she wants to distance herself from other women, but that doesn't mean she is allowed to blur the lines between men and women.

If chloe is allowed to pretend shes not a woman and shouldnt be addressed as such, any man can claim hes not a man and shouldnt be addressed as such. Anyone can see the safeguarding implications in this. Why is chloe reframing these issues as philistine?

Did you get any "kick-back" on your decision to be a Ms? I have nothing but respect for you and can imagine it would have been quite different back in the day?
I'm 46 and the comments I get at being a married Ms can be appalling! Not that I care!

Not in direct contradiction of our own beliefs. Or should I have to eat meat if I go to the home of someone who ‘doesn’t believe in being vegan’?

How did feminism redefine the language to make words mean the opposite of what they did previously?

In English, personal pronouns refer to sex.

So ok. If woman means an adult human female and males that claim to be women, what is the word for an adult human female that would exclude these males and does not reference these males?

Saying 'please', 'thank you', 'how are you?' 'you look great', 'your'e welcome' 'let me know if you need help' etc when you don't mean it.

What about SAHMs/tradwives? They lean on tradition? Can they be feminists?

Traditionally, but things have moved on somewhat since the 1960's.

For billionth time, sex & gender mean two different things.

Oh, It’s you again, new name for last 48 hours I see.

Have they? According to whom?

If they aren't telling everyone else they must be trad house wives sure.