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Taskmaster: if you don’t use ‘correct’ pronouns you’re a philistine…

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Sugarleaf · 24/10/2026 22:47

…Who’s stuck in the past. To be ‘cool and curious’ you need to use non- biological sex based pronouns. And this is about a ‘certain generation.’ I mean I’m 32 and think it’s bollocks.

plus, as a bonus, ‘if you don’t like me, fine, as long as you use my correct pronouns.’

ffs

Taskmaster: if you don’t use ‘correct’ pronouns you’re a philistine…
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Theeyeballsinthesky · Yesterday 07:36

2021x · Yesterday 04:41

A classic example of someone telling you they are precious and self-absorbed: believe them. Gen A has now labelled this behaviour as "cringe", so it will die a death in the next couple of years.

I live fir the day when all the ageist halfwits like chloe who go around slagging off opl older than then suddenly discover that to ppl younger than them they are old and something to be embarrassed about too

throwaway3749574 · Yesterday 07:40

In real life when ive come across someone who wants to use they/them (only once - teen child of a friend) I’ve made an effort to try but keep getting it wrong, so did my friend tbh! And just tried to use their name. It doesn’t seem to be taking off/expanding and it’s strange how there doesn’t seem to be anyone over the age of 30 doing it. I will continue trying to be respectful and trying my best whilst doing an inward eye roll and privately thinking it will just fizzle out…. Let’s hope so.

Awkwardisfunny · Yesterday 07:53

Sugarleaf · 24/10/2026 22:47

…Who’s stuck in the past. To be ‘cool and curious’ you need to use non- biological sex based pronouns. And this is about a ‘certain generation.’ I mean I’m 32 and think it’s bollocks.

plus, as a bonus, ‘if you don’t like me, fine, as long as you use my correct pronouns.’

ffs

When did the word 'she' become so fucking offensive to some people.

Summeriscumin · Yesterday 08:00

I love that person on Taskmaster, even though I'm in my 70s. But the neutral pronoun is "it". "They" will always be plural to me. If they want a pronoun, and I quite understand that they do, then don't adopt one already in use. Make up a new one. Like I became Ms instead of Miss or Mrs.

MostlyPeaceful · Yesterday 08:01

Sugarleaf · 24/10/2026 22:47

…Who’s stuck in the past. To be ‘cool and curious’ you need to use non- biological sex based pronouns. And this is about a ‘certain generation.’ I mean I’m 32 and think it’s bollocks.

plus, as a bonus, ‘if you don’t like me, fine, as long as you use my correct pronouns.’

ffs

Personally, I like the majority, is genderblind. I only see the sex of the human in front of me. So, a man-in-a-dress is a man not a woman/female. A woman who denies her sex and pretends not to have one, is still a woman.

OldCrone · Yesterday 08:06

sweetnsourr · Yesterday 07:33

If you ascribe to liberal values of self determination it kinda goes with the territory to respect another’s right to their own identity. Respect is not a belief statement but an acknowledgement of another's right to define themselves.

Is identity a free choice?

Can a white person identify as black?

Can an adult identify as a child?

Can a human identify as an animal?

If you answer no to any of these, how is it different for a woman to identify as not having a sex?

MostlyPeaceful · Yesterday 08:09

deadpantrashcan · Yesterday 01:29

Why do you assume Chloe would just ‘sulk’ and not be capable of conversation?

Because people who insist others use their own special "gender" pronouns that not based on reality, are somewhat childish, and sometimes limited intellectually.

MostlyPeaceful · Yesterday 08:12

sweetnsourr · Yesterday 07:33

If you ascribe to liberal values of self determination it kinda goes with the territory to respect another’s right to their own identity. Respect is not a belief statement but an acknowledgement of another's right to define themselves.

Someone's right to define themselves is lovely but it stops when I assert MY right to identify them by their sex and not some "gender" they imagine they are.

MotherofPufflings · Yesterday 08:16

'There's always a fear that anyone of a certain generation's gonna be stuck in their ways But everyone has either just been cool or curious. It's really cool that people don't want to be philistines stuck in the past. They genuinely want to move with the times and understand things'

Nah, they're just scared of getting cancelled.

sweetnsourr · Yesterday 08:19

MostlyPeaceful · Yesterday 08:12

Someone's right to define themselves is lovely but it stops when I assert MY right to identify them by their sex and not some "gender" they imagine they are.

In other words, you believe you are entitled to determine other people's views of the world.

Does that work both ways? The Patriarchy would agree with you it doesn't.

TheywontletmehavethenameIwant · Yesterday 08:25

move with the times

That's an old fashion idiom for such a 'progressive' women to use, hasn't the Blob replaced it with something else like 'getting with the programming', 'hard pivot', 'vibe check'. The alphabetties are not short of ludicrous mantras. 😂

FKAT · Yesterday 08:33

Chloe is apparently 33. Not old but by no means young or representative of what young people think. She is old enough to be the mother of a secondary age student.

I was talking to my teenager the other day about how the self-appointed voices of young people tend to be in their 30s and how they sneer at TERFS - often mothers of teens or, like me, working with young people - for being out of touch with the youth when we spend far more time with ACTUAL young people than they do.

I would say that pronouners are the ones stuck in the past. It's not 2018 anymore Chloe. Get with the times grandma.

FKAT · Yesterday 08:37

Slight derail but I was reflecting on how 'old' emerging artists and 'young' entertainers are now compared to the past. There is an article in The Times about George Michael recording Faith, his mature, post-Wham album where he reflected on adult issues with hindsight and wisdom. He was 24.

BackToLurk · Yesterday 08:38

Time for Robby - and yes, I know she’s made decisions about her body that I wouldn’t agree with.

https://m.youtube.com/shorts/O00TMcoLUNQ

Before you continue to YouTube

https://m.youtube.com/shorts/O00TMcoLUNQ

nutmeg7 · Yesterday 08:39

FunPartyIdeas · 24/10/2026 23:34

I struggle with this tbh. I am very much a feminist (as Petts claims to be), but if anyone failed to address me as she/her I would feel that they were erasing me as a woman.
Can someone explain?

I think some women don’t actually like that they are female. They see it as weak, fluffy, inferior. It separates them from the more cool people, the boys/men. They say they can’t “cook or sew” (for example) because to attain those skills is seen as weakness rather than strength. Despite the assertion of “radical feminism” they have a deep belief that women who are “feminine” are a bit pathetic. They are disassociated from being female. They prefer to be seen as cool and “one of the boys”.
It comes across as a bit immature to me.

overhare · Yesterday 08:41

Helleofabore · Yesterday 07:36

NAOMI CUNNINGHAM ON PRONOUNS AND WHY SHE NO LONGER USES INCORRECT SEX PRONOUNS

This thread, by the way, was in answer to beccajiggens posting:
"Deliberately misgendering trans people in such aggressive ways is conduct unbecoming of a barrister. Again.
@ barstandards"

Naomi's answer:
https://x.com/LoudBonnet/status/2079302831215902930?s=20

" Because I am a dissenter from gender ideology, the pronouns I use are almost invariably determined by the sex, not the gender identity, of the person I am referring to.

I understand that some people think my choice in this is unkind, or rude. I might have thought that myself a few years ago.

I no longer think that, for a number of reasons.

The first is that courtesy is freely given. A "courtesy" demanded with menaces loses its quality as such, and becomes a gesture of submission to bullies.

The second is about truth. If I say "she" of a man, I am implying that he is female. Men aren't female, so I am saying something untrue.

We all tell polite lies sometimes when it doesn't matter much. I think back when I was willing to tell this one, I thought it didn't matter much.
I know better now. What I know now is that many of the men who want to be referred to by feminine pronouns also want everyone to be forced to treat them for all purposes as if they were women, to the detriment of actual women's privacy, dignity and safety.

I think it matters a lot that we should be able to say "no" to those men, and to explain in plain words why we say no (because they are men).
The third is about clarity. Even if everyone knows in theory that the man we're all referring to as "she" is a man really, referring to him as "she" is confusing.

Clarity is fundamental to my job as an advocate: I need to be able to put my arguments as clearly and vividly as possible.

The fourth and perhaps the most important is about what's known to propagandists, advertisers and psychologists as the "repetition effect." People will believe almost any lie, however obviously untrue, if you repeat it often enough.

Lies don't get much more obviously untrue than "trans women are women."

It is repeated like a mantra by trans activists and those who see themselves (or want to be seen) as "allies."

But this lie has a superpower. The superpower is pronouns.

The near-universal compliance with "preferred pronouns," even by many of those who dissent in other ways from gender ideology, means that the lie is repeated with almost every utterance about a man who says he is a woman (or a woman who says she is a man).

And it's repeated not as an assertion, but insidiously, subliminally, by the use of little grammar-words that are normally handled on autopilot and barely registered by either speaker or listener.

It's brilliant propaganda. It's especially brilliant that so many dissenters have been induced to reinforce the lie in this way.
I'm not prepared to.

end/ "

I do love Naomi Cunningham.

She takes no shit. Women have been conditioned for generations to take shit, be nice, keep the wheels of social discourse oiled.

Note to self: be more Naomi.

nutmeg7 · Yesterday 08:42

What are we supposed to do with “she/they” pronouns?

Is it an ideology test? Is it so the person who interacted with the pronoun owner can signal their adherence to gender beliefs?

Why is Alex Horne using “they” rather than “she”?

How does one decide?

Dragononawagon · Yesterday 08:48

TransParentlyAnnoyed · Yesterday 00:05

Chloe's entirely correct. Learning which pronouns people use is very easy, and just basic respect. Same as learning to pronounce an unfamiliar name properly rather than just call someone what you want (something which used to be incredibly common, e.g. Martin Offiah's name was mispronounced for decades by TV pundits.)

Getting angry because someone's different to you, only announces your own limitations. The world's a beautiful, complex place and none of us know everything. So listen, learn, educate yourself.

We differ on this. You believe in gender and the use of preferred pronouns, I don’t.

It’s good to know you won’t disrespect or get angry with me though, as doing so would only announce your own limitations. I appreciate that and will afford you the same courtesy.

PuppyMonkey · Yesterday 08:55

Not using a capital p in Philistines is very offensive. What have the Philistines ever done to they?

MagpiePi · Yesterday 08:57

‘…listen, learn, educate yourself.’ often results in views that are the complete opposite to what @TransParentlyAnnoyed hopes for.

MrsDanversGlidesAgain · Yesterday 09:04

MagpiePi · Yesterday 08:57

‘…listen, learn, educate yourself.’ often results in views that are the complete opposite to what @TransParentlyAnnoyed hopes for.

When someone uses 'educate yourself,' as well as coming over as a patronising arse, what they usually mean is 'agree with me because I'm right and you're just an ignorant thicko.' It never seems to occur to them that if I go away and 'educate myself,' there's a good chance I'll come to the conclusion that they are talking rubbish.

BackToLurk · Yesterday 09:08

MrsDanversGlidesAgain · Yesterday 09:04

When someone uses 'educate yourself,' as well as coming over as a patronising arse, what they usually mean is 'agree with me because I'm right and you're just an ignorant thicko.' It never seems to occur to them that if I go away and 'educate myself,' there's a good chance I'll come to the conclusion that they are talking rubbish.

I think because they ‘educated themselves’ by credulously believing everything they were told.

ChequerToRed · Yesterday 09:14

It can be summed up thusly;
’I am super-duper special. If you don’t acknowledge my super-duper speacialyness then you’re dreadfully beastly and probably decrepitly old and probably smell funny.’

MrsDanversGlidesAgain · Yesterday 09:15

BackToLurk · Yesterday 09:08

I think because they ‘educated themselves’ by credulously believing everything they were told.

In the days when I amused myself by responding to the 'educate yourself' crowd I'd say 'I am, I'm asking you. What books should I read, what websites, what podcasts should I listen to?' and invariably they had no answer; or rather it was a variation of 'go away and find out for yourself, I'm not your secretary.'

I just had to hope they weren't teachers in RL if that was how they educated.

Helleofabore · Yesterday 09:18

sweetnsourr · Yesterday 08:19

In other words, you believe you are entitled to determine other people's views of the world.

Does that work both ways? The Patriarchy would agree with you it doesn't.

I think everyone is entitled to have beliefs about their own identity.

However, no one is entitled to expect any one else to support that identity if it doesn’t reflect material reality. No one needs to support an identity that is based on an individual’s personal and subjective belief based identity.

I believe that is why established English language conventions based on sex category and neutral of belief exist in the first place.

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