Taskmaster: if you don’t use ‘correct’ pronouns you’re a philistine…

[Sugarleaf]

…Who’s stuck in the past. To be ‘cool and curious’ you need to use non- biological sex based pronouns. And this is about a ‘certain generation.’ I mean I’m 32 and think it’s bollocks.

plus, as a bonus, ‘if you don’t like me, fine, as long as you use my correct pronouns.’

ffs

I'm tired of the "erasing" of women and also the erasing of women-only spaces. I'm tired of being labelled as a "person with a cervix" when I am invited for my HPV screen and told I was "chestfeeding" and called a "child-bearing" person.
In the same vein I refuse also to be defined by my title according to my marital status.
As a feminist I accept none of these.

Genuine question: why would you feel that your womanhood was being erased? Privately feeling that someone was being rude or ungracious I can understand, (although I wouldn’t necessarily agree with you).

But if someone started referring to me as he/him, I might think them strange or possibly rude, but it wouldn’t bother me or make me feel part of me was being erased.

The words people use to describe me can’t literally erase anything; I’m a woman and I have a well developed sense of self. Call me what you like - it honestly doesn’t affect me as I’m completely secure in who I am.

@MrsToddsShortcut Because they/them is gender neutral. I am a woman. I am not a "them."
I'm also a married Ms as I don't want to be defined by my marital status in relation to that of a man.
I'm very much a feminist but can't see how Chloe Petts can say erasing "their" gender identity makes her a feminist too?

But if everyone in the world only referred to women / you as ‘he’, then wouldn’t that make you feel pretty ignored? If there were no she?

Live, laugh, love

Their preferred pronouns are they and I'm presuming, them. I still find it confusing as I automatically envisage more than one person when I hear 'they', but I really like Chloe Petts, and would do my best to not mess it up for them.

I also loved Mae Martin; fair play to them (really them this time).

If as a woman being referred to as he/him isn't erasing you as a woman, what is it actually doing? because as a woman you're being referred to as a man.

Your identity is literally (in the proper sense of the word) being erased as a woman.

Having preferred pronouns is like expecting everyone to remember and acknowledge your star sign all the time.

Shes ok on taskmaster, but childish. I think the non binary thing is her way of standing out, and a way if controlling everyone around her.

I mean, what is she going do when anyone calls her 'she', sulk?

Gender non-comforming just means not adhering to gender stereotypes, behaviours etc*, like tomboys, butch lesbians etc. I'd be described as that myself but I'm still very much a woman.

She says her gender is fluid, which is the bit that is nonsense.

*this is everyone on the planet though, to some extent

I do use the correct pronouns, pronouns are based on someone's sex.

Why do you assume Chloe would just ‘sulk’ and not be capable of conversation?

To be fair, she sulks a lot on taskmaster. And who is able or willing to have a conversation about queer theory?

To be fair, “sulking” could also be seen as competitiveness, but I see it doesn’t give the same connotation. In terms of who is able or willing to have a conversation, I’d say they are separate points. Many folk here are willing, but not able.

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A classic example of someone telling you they are precious and self-absorbed: believe them. Gen A has now labelled this behaviour as "cringe", so it will die a death in the next couple of years.

Oops my post got posted too quickly!

What I was going to say is that no matter what her identity or pronouns she will always be treated differently from the men who call themselves NB. That’s why it seems such a nonsense.

How do you know you’re a woman? Because according to the TRA, à male can also know he is à woman and be secure in that. So if by women, you know youre a woman because you’re female, that may not necessarily be true.

if anyone can be a woman, what is a woman? I think thst is what posters are saying when they say GI is erasing women. If a woman cannot be defined, how can women fight for their rights?

No one that doesn’t mind being called her/him mentions pronouns

Please educate me about she/they. What does it mean and how does it work if I needed to address Chloe directly?

If I use a pronoun I'm talking about someone not to them so they don't get to police my speech when they're not even in the conversation.
I have no idea who she is but as it's telly it's no doubt all part of her performance, for the sake of those who do watch her, I hope there's more to her act than this tripe.

I do wonder if it's because these comedians were presumably having to slog away in comedy clubs at the peak of the trans trend. Fell into using different pronouns as a USP/to play to the audiences and now the trend is waning but they're getting more exposure it's difficult to suddenly switch 'brand'.

If you ascribe to liberal values of self determination it kinda goes with the territory to respect another’s right to their own identity. Respect is not a belief statement but an acknowledgement of another's right to define themselves.

NAOMI CUNNINGHAM ON PRONOUNS AND WHY SHE NO LONGER USES INCORRECT SEX PRONOUNS

This thread, by the way, was in answer to beccajiggens posting:
"Deliberately misgendering trans people in such aggressive ways is conduct unbecoming of a barrister. Again.
@ barstandards"

Naomi's answer:
https://x.com/LoudBonnet/status/2079302831215902930?s=20

" Because I am a dissenter from gender ideology, the pronouns I use are almost invariably determined by the sex, not the gender identity, of the person I am referring to.

I understand that some people think my choice in this is unkind, or rude. I might have thought that myself a few years ago.

I no longer think that, for a number of reasons.

The first is that courtesy is freely given. A "courtesy" demanded with menaces loses its quality as such, and becomes a gesture of submission to bullies.

The second is about truth. If I say "she" of a man, I am implying that he is female. Men aren't female, so I am saying something untrue.

We all tell polite lies sometimes when it doesn't matter much. I think back when I was willing to tell this one, I thought it didn't matter much.
I know better now. What I know now is that many of the men who want to be referred to by feminine pronouns also want everyone to be forced to treat them for all purposes as if they were women, to the detriment of actual women's privacy, dignity and safety.

I think it matters a lot that we should be able to say "no" to those men, and to explain in plain words why we say no (because they are men).
The third is about clarity. Even if everyone knows in theory that the man we're all referring to as "she" is a man really, referring to him as "she" is confusing.

Clarity is fundamental to my job as an advocate: I need to be able to put my arguments as clearly and vividly as possible.

The fourth and perhaps the most important is about what's known to propagandists, advertisers and psychologists as the "repetition effect." People will believe almost any lie, however obviously untrue, if you repeat it often enough.

Lies don't get much more obviously untrue than "trans women are women."

It is repeated like a mantra by trans activists and those who see themselves (or want to be seen) as "allies."

But this lie has a superpower. The superpower is pronouns.

The near-universal compliance with "preferred pronouns," even by many of those who dissent in other ways from gender ideology, means that the lie is repeated with almost every utterance about a man who says he is a woman (or a woman who says she is a man).

And it's repeated not as an assertion, but insidiously, subliminally, by the use of little grammar-words that are normally handled on autopilot and barely registered by either speaker or listener.

It's brilliant propaganda. It's especially brilliant that so many dissenters have been induced to reinforce the lie in this way.
I'm not prepared to.

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