Taskmaster: if you don’t use ‘correct’ pronouns you’re a philistine…

[Sugarleaf]

…Who’s stuck in the past. To be ‘cool and curious’ you need to use non- biological sex based pronouns. And this is about a ‘certain generation.’ I mean I’m 32 and think it’s bollocks.

plus, as a bonus, ‘if you don’t like me, fine, as long as you use my correct pronouns.’

ffs

And why does it apply to sex, sorry gender which is completely different but also sometimes the same but not to age, race or being rich?

And yet, sex is indisputably a physical disadvantage for females.

Violence between the sexes is overwhelmingly male on female.
Females are not as strong or big as males, and we are also vulnerable to pregnancy via rape.

I am not sure why you are so desperate to pretend that human beings don’t know this and haven’t known it for thousands of years.

Well, I do have an idea - you are desperate to find a legitimate reason for society to group people by “gendered expression” rather than sex so that a tiny number of men can gain access to female spaces.

You are happy to throw female people’s needs under the bus.

Do you really think this is what most women's lives revolve around?

No but consumerist habits speak to inclinations & commitment.

Bear in mind that most of the women on here are either mothers or older women.

Aaand? They no longer seek partnerships or to be attractive? Bear in mind we weren't exactly evolved to live long lives. Its only technology that saved us from an early death. Face facts, we are hard wired for mating so much so we still seek partnerships into old age. Not to mention the medical cosmetic industry is heavily supported by older women.

You seem to be under the impression that most women are under 30, single and looking for a male partner.

I never said as much. And people in partnerships don't all necessarily 'give up'.

It's that "invisible women" thing again where older women cease to exist as actual people, isn't it? If we're not young and looking for a man, we don't exist at all.

Whaaat? How you read old age erasure out of evolutionary mating strategies is beyond me. You might need to stop centering yourself as an imaginary victim if you want to live in reality.

My fury is directed at MEN who invade private spaces reserved for WOMEN like me.

Gender is merely a feeling. It only exists in someone's head. It should never dictate laws no force people to believe lies and delusions.

Trans does not exist. There are men/males and women/females. How they feel about themselves is private, for them alone and should never be imposed upon anyone else in the form of "trans".

Dr Upton is an abusive man who used his powerful position to destroy a woman who dared to say "no" to him. I hear he is causing ructions in his post in Australia now.

We’re also obsessed with prisons, rape crisis services, changing rooms, medical care, personal care for vulnerable people.

Men are not female.

You seem excessively pre-occupied with 'personal rights' and 'choices',

Um, I hate to break it to you but we in the west live in individualist & liberal societies rather than in collectivist dictatorial ones, you know the thing that enabled feminism even though it was a 'pain' to the prevailing powers to accomadate. In other words, individual rights &personal liberty is a biggie in terms of underlying principles despite it being more difficult to accomodate. Perhaps China might be a better fit for you?

Of course your privilege of being in a position of power for now obscures how the other half live.

He's a man when using male facilities and a creepy man when using women's facilities.

I never forgot when he talked about times when he was identifying as a man he wore flat shoes and when identifying as a woman he wore heels.

Women are just a costume to don when he feels like it.

And when self ID was being debated, it was self ID of gender which was to change someone's legally recognised sex.

So much for gender and sex being different things.

The purpose of self-identification is to allow individuals to voluntarily define and share their personal, social, cultural, or medical characteristics (such as race, gender, disability, religion or neuro divergence) so they & others can understand themselves.

Oh aye right.

Why is it ONLY men that have to 'understand themselves' listening to women in the toilet?

to her

Bless

This nonsense from a once revered university who no longer commands respect and is facing an independent enquiry into the fantasist professor debacle .

Try the Oxford version: An adult female human being. The counterpart of man.

https://www.oed.com/dictionary/woman_n?tl=true

And yet that dictionary definition you listed conflates sex and gender in a very smudgy way. As does a great deal of genderist discourse in this area.

” … presents as female although they might have been considered to be a different sex at birth”.

Sex is not so ambiguous in over 99% of cases that it is a matter of what someone “considers” it to be.

None of you can think or argue straight because you mix up sex and gender as and when it suits you in an order to obfuscate and blur your meaning.

All to allow some men into female spaces.

Of course your privilege of being in a position of power for now obscures how the other half live.

Says a man to a group of women.

Self, Self, Self!

All of the pre-occupation with self, with " living your best life"; "being your true self"...you can surely understsand why people can see 'genderism' as being straight out of American culture - with its excessive focus on the individual - aligned with the power of consumerism and big pharma to sell you what it is you think you need to fulfil your self. 'Gender Theory' did indeed arrive out of the american academy - and is the apotheosis of this sort of culture.

Societies have to be a balance bteween individual freedoms ( and some societies are incredibly restrictive when it come sto the 'self') and collective responsibilities. Not everything is about 'you', and most societies are arranged in ways that are most functional to the group - based on shared and common understandings, and on shared responsibilities.

The reason we have sex based categories and sex based protections in certain circumstances is because a millennia of experience has shown human beings some of the obvious differences between the sexes -and why, in civilised societies, there needs to be certain sex based provisions in order to provide a measure of safety, dignity, and equity, for female people especially.

It doesn't matter how much the individual male or female person wants to express their " true self" by performing cross sex 'gender' they remain either male or female and thus subject to the same basic laws, rules, and drives, as everyone else.

It is not a movement which is predicated soley on self satisfaction if that is what you mean by " illiberal".

If being under the trans umbrella is self determined, talk about gender and sex role and stereotypes is unnecessary.

Why would anyone have accept or reject roles and stereotypes is the concept is self determined?

Chloe is saying shes non binary because she wants to be. Eddie izzard is a saying hes trans because he wants to be. There are no rules to follow.

TRA are saying we need to respect this and refer to these people with their preferred pronouns.

All well and good. We are in a liberal society, after all.

Then, on another thread, or in another situation, trans people are saying that trans is innate, its not a choice. Trans people are a marginalised minority and need the state to provide or allow for gendered spaces.

Suddenly gender isnt self determined, its something that needs rules. Who is of a particular gender and what they need has to be defined to make the space for that gender. And everyone has to comply.

The liberal society has disappeared.

But in each scenario sex is irrelevant.

Exactly, asking other people to do the heavy pronouns lifting.

Yes, and most of the cross dressing men I see have definitely chosen on a specific 'look' from that 'spectrum' - one that particularly appeals to them, and then play it to the hilt.

All this tells us is that many people buy into 'gender'. It is a consumer product that promises more than it can actually deliver. It offers false hope and only temporary satiation of restless and wandering desires.

Here you go again.

People need to take their head out of their arse and start to notice that the world does not exist purely for, nor revolve around, their self gratification.

Here you go Chloe, here’s some help with your navel gazing.

Oh, are you saying people can identify into a different race now? Or identify into neuro divergence? Interesting! So if I claim to be Asian, even though I am not, should I expect all Asian people to respect my self identification? If not, why not?

Self identification of neurodivergence has definitely not led to more understanding of e.g. ADHD and autism.

Instead it has created the perception that the terms are meaningless, and that has caused real harm.

I've always thought Taskmaster looked like a bunch of smug twunts trying to impress each other for the furtherance of their own egos.
This is just another expression of it IMO.