Dr Upton in the news again

[Sparkyduchess]

I see the lovely Dr Upton is in the news again, who didn’t see this coming 🙄

i feel for the woman facing this, and troubling that she was worried she’d be bullied into accepting treatment from him

https://www.dailymail.com/news/article-16235793/Doctor-quit-UK-Peggie-trans-row-centre-gender-storm-Australia-known-Lis.html

Well, whoever arranged at considerable cost for there to be a full transcript made of the first Sandie Peggie Employment Tribunal was certainly prescient. There is loads of valuable material there.

It's worse in Australia than the UK. Australia is a federation with a number of smallish state government hierarchies, and due to large distances, less opportunity for sideways career moves and so on, people who believe in gender woo tend to rise to a certain level in government bodies, and then stay there a long time. And every university in the country will have taught this twoddle for years now. New Zealand of course, is equally affected.

He. Upton is a man.

Please don't dictate my language. I won't do it to you.

You did by putting it before me. Words mean something in my world.

Sandie Peggie is none of those things. She was thoroughly exposed as both racist, confrontational and bigoted. Her rights to single sex changing rooms and spaces should never have been an issue but let's not pretend she's a decent human being - she isn't.

What right do you think you have to compel my language? I'm not 'compelling' yours.

I'd not agree with you re Sandie Peggie , but as you say, her rights to the single sex changing room shouldn't have been in doubt. That's the important bit.

Those rights apply to everyone, even if we don't like them.

Regardless of whether your potentially-defamatory assertions have any truth to them, right wing women are women and right wing women are entitled to women's rights.

Calling someone "confrontational" is an example of tone-policing. It doesn't matter whether Sandie simpered and said "do you mind awfully leaving the ladies" or whether she said "get the fuck out of here, you're a man", her demand for female-only changing is reasonable and she should never have been put into the position of having to voice it in the first place because it's her legal right at work. And it wouldn't have mattered to Theodore Upton what tone she used because he doesn't want to hear the demand, so he'd always claim that she'd been too loud, too direct, too shrill, to try to silence her.

Decades of pattern recognition tell me that someone who calls a woman who stands up for herself "confrontational" or its newer incarnation "a Karen" is seeking to silence that woman. So why are you trying to silence Sandie?

On the one hand a creep who scared women by invading their changing rooms and said he’d give intimate treatment to female patients who’d asked for a woman doctor.

On the other an experienced and respected nurse who said no.

Of course they’re going to say she’s ’confrontational’ and ‘horrible’.

You’re right, the patient did nothing wrong I’m so glad you agree, the abusive man who tried to treat her and disrespect her boundaries, well he did a lot wrong didn’t he…..

This. All day long.

Upton is a man who was quite happy to confirm that he will ignore any woman who doesn’t want to be treated by a man (for the avoidance of doubt, anyone male), and he’ll proceed anyway.

He’s a creep at best, or a predator. He seems to have found his home in Australia, I’m sorry for the women who will have to deal with him

Any evidence for either of those comments?

Allow me to enlighten you on what Dr Upton thinks of biology. He's either a liar or an idiot. You choose.

"The term biologically female or biologically male is completely nebulous. It has no defined or agreed meaning in science, as far as I’m aware. I’m not a robot, so I am biological and my identity is female. Without wanting to appeal to the dictionary too much, I’m biologically female."

Oh and he also said he would not tell women he was treating that he was male, if they wanted a female doctor. I mean it's bloody obvious what sex he is, but that's despicable behaviour.

Did you watch the tribunal? I did. You might want to avail yourself of the facts.

That's your opinion and you are entitled to it. I say you're wrong.

Sandie Peggie shared really dark jokes about a tragedy with the women she worked with who she thought were her friends, and that single instance could be taken as proof that Sandie Peggie is a dyed in the wool racist, yes.

However, anecdotally there have been patients who have spoken about how she treated them with compassionate, efficient care no matter who they were, where they were from, what colour they were, or whether they had a gender identity.

There is also the fact that in over 30 years, no one has ever leveraged a claim of racism against her, until the tribunal against NHS Fife and Dr Upton suddenly needed another angle. During the tribunal it came out that a co-worker who was apparently racially abused by Sandie Peggie has denied the spurious allegation that Sandie Peggie was ever racist towards them. Another allegation (the bacon comment), was actually said by another co-worker, not Sandie Peggie.

Either way, it's clear from the over 30 years of no complaints that Sandie Peggie is capable of doing her job to the best of her ability without making waves for either patients, or co-workers. The same cannot be said about Dr Upton.

Sandie Peggie is not "confrontational" for requesting her rights to a single sex changing area at work be upheld. Anyone with two brain cells to rub together can clearly see that Sandi Peggie has been harassed and bullied by both NHS Fife management and Dr Upton.

Sandi Peggie is not a "bigot" for saying it was inappropriate for Dr Upton to be in the nurse's female changing rooms. No woman is "bigoted" for being able to accurately sex men as male.

Incidentally, have you managed to leverage the rape of any women in your ongoing quest to get men access to women and girls in a state of undress recently? I've seen you do it twice so far. There we are then.

If it doesn't work out, he'll be off to Canada.
He's a predatory man.
As an aside, I'm beginning to think certain posters don't have a trans child, but possibly have traits in common with Lis...

Do you think it's a joke to suggest a person should post bacon through a Muslim woman's letterbox?

No I think it's a thoroughly horrible and racist thing to say, and I would absolutely say so to a person's face.

However, Sandie Peggie did not make that comment, it was a different co-worker who said that.

You know, most of us here actually followed the tribunal, you can't piss on our shoes and tell us it's raining, we know you're lying.

Edit to add do you think it's ok to leverage a woman's rape to allow males to access women and girls in a state of undress is ok? I mean, we already know you do, because you've done it at least twice already.

Do you think it’s a “joke” when a man says a woman should be “raped with a splintery rolling pin” for saying men do not belong in female spaces? Or do you condemn that and think that someone who says that is a misogynistic person? Never seen any TRA condemn the rape threats, death threats and threats of violence women receive for saying no to men, but they’ll happily pull apart a woman they believe committed heresy in their eyes.

She didn't say that.

Oh and also, I think the man who made the comment said "through a Mosque letterbox" FWIW. Accuracy and all that.

Aren't cases of a claimed trans child usually transhausen-by-proxy ?

It was reported that she made the comment, she also admitted to using slurs about Pakistani and Chinese people (but insisted her use of the slurs was 'without malice') and she referred to gay and trans people as 'it'. That is all bigoted in my book. Perhaps not yours.

ETA: Please don't lie about my views. I have never done any such thing.

Well my book includes those people who call women transphobes and bigots for saying men can’t be women, and those who defend them….

Edit: Not worth biting for the rollingpinnedwonder.