M&S toilet rapist

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Turns out last 3 years whilst M&S management have insisted gender neutral ie. Mixed sex facilities are entirely fine they have been aware a teenage girl was raped in the toilets of their Oxford store.

Mumsnet doesn’t like archive links. If you put this link https://www.oxfordmail.co.uk/news/26582305.oxford---man-20-jailed-raping-teenage-girls-public-toilets/ into archive. ph (remove the space) you can read the story.

Those poor girls 😢 sentence is much too short.

I'm familiar with the M&S toilets in question from memory the disabled toilets open onto a corridor with the mens on the right and women's on the left it was usually quite busy so not even though it's a secluded spot.

Just realised though that I must warn my girls about toilets as know a few women who have been followed and attacked in them.

No, we're not. We're discussing single sex spaces. I gave two examples - healthcare and some toilets - you then decided to list a number of things that you think should be single sex like airports. I responded to your list by pointing out that everything apart from schools that are single sex schools, would be batshit. And now you're claiming I don't think schoolgirls deserve privacy. Very odd.

Nothing odd about anything I have written . The thread is about a woman being raped in a toilet .
My view is that all toilets in places such as schools, pubs etc should be single sex .
Clearly you don’t agree but i can’t fathom out why .

Because I don't believe that all toilets should be single sex. That's demonstrably mad. How would your single sex airport work out of interest?

I am talking about single sex toilets as well you know.

If that's the case then why did you reply to a post that specifically said toilets as if it had not been mentioned?

You still haven’t said which toilets should be single sex .
To use your words - very odd .

But if you agree some spaces should be for women or men only, aren’t you just confirming that you believe TWANW and TMANM? If so, why would they be let into some spaces and not others? Why would we let men into some women’s spaces and not others? Either they are men and should be excluded from all female spaces or they are women and should be let into all. Which is it?

demonstrably mad
single sex airport

Lost the plot?

Your capacity for being disingenuous is unbound @alcovecupboards. Which toilets shouldn’t be single sex?

It’s a peculiar do that we’ve seen from different posters, on various threads. It’s this ‘sensible’ or ‘reasonable’ approach that somehow manages to be worse than an extreme trans activist position.

Trans activists say TWAW. It therefore logically follows from this stance that transwomen should be included everywhere women are. I don’t agree with their first claim, therefore oppose the rest of their position.

The ‘sensible’ and ‘reasonable’ people take one of two stances.

Some say ‘TWAW’ but would exclude them from some female only spaces, which suggests they don’t really believe what they say.

Some don’t think TWAW but would still include them in some spaces designated ‘women’s’, because “reasons”. Not only are they unclear on why these ‘not women’ are included, you’ll be hard pressed to get them to be able to explain why other ‘not women’ are excluded.

Both types of the ‘sensible’ and ‘reasonable’ tend to struggle to tell you what a transwoman is (for the purposes of being included). Generally waving queries away with a hand wave and a “you know”. Both types undermine the meaning of ‘women’, and manage to suggest a system riddled with uncertainties and less coherent than anything even TRAs come up with.

You frequently fail to express yourself clearly and then spitefully insult people when they don't understand you.

The failing here is not on the part of other posters.

I suppose the question then becomes who decides which facilities have 'gender neutral' (mixed sex) toilets? In addition to or instead of single-sex? etc, etc.

I can say that Stansted Airport has female toilets, male toilets, disabled toilets, baby changing rooms, and unisex, single user, self contained with hand washing, toilets. All compliant and as should be!

Wrong post. Sorry.

I would suggest the law would be best placed to do this. As long as there is single sex provision, I don't think it matters if gender neutral toilets exist. Surely that's a compromise everyone could agree on?

Are you suggesting that this rape was as a result of M&S' policies? It's a mixed sex, single user disabled toilet.

I don’t think there has ever been an objection to unisex toilets. As long as single sex, using the EA definition of sex, are available.

🙄🙄🙄🙄. Thst is what should happen but transpeople have said they do not want third spaces as they are “outing”. Do keep up dear. Third spaces are what stonewall et al should have been campaigning for all along, but they got too invested in trying to bully women to give up their spaces. I notice there was never a similar campaign to get men to give up their spaces

No one on here says that “gender neutral” toilets “shouldn’t exist”.

Women sometimes say they wouldn’t use them because of the unhygienic habits of male users, which is reasonable.

Trans identifying people don’t like to use them because, apparently, they are “outing”. But TIP should either use them or the correct toilets for their actual sex. It’s not hard.

M&S appears to tolerate sexual harassment by employees, this case references behaviour by one of their employees over many years that must have been visible to managers and should have been stopped years earlier.

https://www.glasgowtimes.co.uk/news/26070926.m-s-worker-accused-sexually-assaulting-colleaugues-dies-suicide/

M&S corporate culture when it comes to women’s safety has been a great disappointment.