Sandie Peggie: Employment Tribunal, associated legal claims, and related matters - thread #68

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Sandie Peggie, a nurse at Victoria Hospital in Kirkcaldy (VH), brought claims in the employment tribunal against her employer; Fife Health Board (the Board) and another employee, Dr B Upton. Ms Peggie’s claims were of sexual harassment, harassment related to a protected belief, indirect discrimination and victimisation. Dr Upton claimed to be a transwoman, that is observed as male at birth but asserting a female gender identity.

The Employment Tribunal hearing started on Monday 3 February 2025 and after a prolonged process judgment was handed down on 8 December 2025. That judgment is being appealed and an appeal hearing is expected to take place in 2027.

A second Employment Tribunal, Sandie Peggie vs Royal College of Nursing, has just been heard. The hearing started on Wednesday 23 September 2026 and ended on Thursday 1 October 2026. It is possible that a decision will be handed down before Christmas of this year.

Additional legal claims have been raised. Sandie Peggie is taking action against three senior managers who were witnesses in the first Employment Tribunal - Dr Kate Searle, Dr Maggie Currer and Esther Davidson, against Carol Potter, the chief executive of NHS Fife, for victimisation, against NHS Fife for discrimination, and against its director of people and culture David Miller for harassment. In addition, Sandie Peggie is being investigated by the Nursing and Midwifery Council over fitness to practice.

The past proceedings were live tweeted by www.x.com/tribunaltweets. Tribunal Tweets are likely to be providing coverage in future proceedings. There's additional information on Tribunal Tweets' substack: www.tribunaltweets.substack.com/.

Links to previous threads #1 to #60 can be found in this thread: www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5379717-sandie-peggie-list-of-threads-covering-employment-tribunal-and-afterwards

Thread 61: www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5472628-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-following-employment-tribunal-judgment-thread-61 8 January 2026 to 3 August 2026

Thread 62: www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5562302-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-following-employment-tribunal-judgment-thread-62 3 August 2026 to 24 September 2026

Thread 63: www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5581909-sandie-peggie-employment-tribunal-associated-legal-claims-and-related-matters-thread-63 24 September 2026 to 27 September 2026

Thread 64: www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5583133-sandie-peggie-employment-tribunal-associated-legal-claims-and-related-matters-thread-64 27 September 2026 to 29 September 2026

Thread 65: www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5583663-sandie-peggie-employment-tribunal-associated-legal-claims-and-related-matters-thread-65 29 September 2026 to 30 September 2026

Thread 66: www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5584074-sandie-peggie-employment-tribunal-associated-legal-claims-and-related-matters-thread-66 30 September 2026 to 1 October 2026

Thread 67: www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5584523-sandie-peggie-employment-tribunal-associated-legal-claims-and-related-matters-thread-67 1 October 2026 to ????

@Lacksie any opinions about Sam Hall having been exposed as prescribing PBs and hormones to children? She pretends to be male. She accused a safeguarding GP of transphobia when said GP simply flagged up Sam Halls behaviour. Do you think children should be dragged into this?

The argument always seems to start at '(if) you accept my redefinition of language' then a whole pile of other things can be justified.

The if is often unstated with the listener expected to agree without thinking.

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/xG-xdS7NGcM

What if the Dr in question wasn't Upton but one of the many 'completely passing TW' we supposedly interact unknowingly with everyday?
Patient requests a female Dr the passing TW turns up and treats the patient- have they got the patient's consent?
If it is oh so very hard to decipher the nebulous dog whistle that us bigots like to call sex how can a patient who asks for female medic ever know if the person treating her is actually female or not in order to say sorry can I see a different 'female' please?

I have mentioned before about my experience on an operating table, briefly: I need an intimate procedure as part of surgical treatment, app. 5 medics present m/f. Male Dr leading op preemptively explains my right to same sex care for this minor procedure; polite, no coercion, precise information and choice. I’m perfectly safe I give permission. That’s how it should be done, he knew he was male and I a female patient with rights. DU on the other hand assumed as identified as female everyone else should go along with the delusion with the odd caveat of a sort of spurious choice. It’s only truly a choice if the individual has all the pertinent facts at the off.

You really haven’t considered the principals of safeguarding and consent in your defence of this doctor.

Consent does require a person to have full understanding of the sex category of the person they have given consent to and for that consent to not be impacted by power dynamics that could be considered as a coercive force.

Do you believe that a female patient can give consent that is with full knowledge and no coercion if a male doctor (who they expect to understand the difference between male and female humans and who they trust would act ethically and that they have to trust to treat them) presented themselves as being the female doctor that they requested?

It is a yes or no question. Do you believe they can give consent based on this scenario or not?

Your overuse of the word ‘obsessive’ is obsessive. You absolutely are different from your husband at the most basic level - you are female and he is male. Denying such a basic fact of life totally diminishes any other argument you may have.

Any doctor who claims that they have changed sex is a disgrace. If they cannot accept the most basic of biological facts then they should not have been able to practice as a doctor. Upton / Sam Hall are prime examples.

You ‘twisted the testimony’ when you apparently quoted the same exchange but put different words in NCs mouth. She did not say ‘cisgender’, Upton used that word. Very telling that is…

I wonder about the situation where a doctor who 'passes' might give advice about transition to a patient where the patient assumes that the advice is impartial. Wouldn't it be necessary for the doctor to declare that they have transitioned themselves?

I would like to think this would be disclosed.

Do you mean any doctor who is trans is a disgrace?

Plenty of trans people know they have not actually changed sex and do not claim to have done so.

So what do you mean by "claims to have changed sex"? Did DU ever say "I have changed sex!" No.

Is it the use of the word female you object to - because that is just a semantic demand about the use of the word.

I didn’t say anything about DU. Maybe check who you’re replying to.

Do you mean any doctor who is trans is a disgrace?

Yes, any doctor who is trans is a disgrace. Likewise any teacher who is trans is a disgrace. All people with such a profound mental disorder that they think they have changed sex are unfit to work as doctors or teachers.

And you believe him do you? Despite him wanting to report a dementia patient as transphobic for referring to him as 'son'.

If he truly believed patients wishes should be respected he would never turn up at their bedside when they had requested a FEMALE HCP.

Your twisting to defend this man is really outrageous and thoroughly transparent.

He claims to be a woman - a "biological woman" no less.
He's a man claiming to be a women. He's alleging his birth sex has changed / transitioned from a man to a woman. In a court of law. 😂

No matter how much you huff and puff, that's the reality of the claims from trans identified men (and women).

Upton claimed to be biologically female. That's a lie not semantics.

@Lacksie Upton said he was a woman under oath. As he was born a man he has said he has changed sex declaring he is a woman.

Any thoughts on Sam Hall prescribing children with PBs and hormones illegally and bullying a safeguarding lead into submission? Anything?

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Well… look here!

Now it is the word ‘female’ that is being dismissed as a semantic demand. When we are told that people with transgender identities know what sex they are and it is a gender identity that they refer to.

….. and that there is no negative impact on female people in using the language that a group of people with transgender identities and those who share there belief demand.

The incoherence and inconsistency continues.

Is it the use of the word female you object to - because that is just a semantic demand about the use of the word.

Oh go away with this nonsense, it is not a semantic demand it is using the word as the fact based reality it is. The word female belongs to the female 51% of the population, it is their descriptor, it does NOT include males.

I thought woman was a gender word and female was sex word? But strangely enough despite there being 'sex words' and 'gender words' and sex and gender not being the same thing no one can give us a word that mean adult human female and only that?

Upton also claimed to be female, and in stating he would present himself as a female doctor if that was requested has claimed that word as a descriptor.