Two-year-old euthanised in Netherlands in first assisted dying case of its kind

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I'm not going to select any part of the article but just post the link for those who want to read
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/netherlands-infant-2-euthanised-assisted-37709218

@ReleaseTheDucksOfWar People don’t want to think about their mortality, that one day they might be in a very vulnerable position needing care.

and instead of making efforts to improve it, they should just be killed?

There's a shortage in many areas due to funding issues such as education etc why is it only an acceptable solution to kill vulnerable people?

I mean - it seems to be people on the left who are consistently arguing for this.

The people here on MN who come on saying that we need euthanasia and assisted death for people who can't get care seem to be on the left.

They really don't want to face that they may be in an unendurable position, and the other thing I notice is that when new information comes their way they'd far rather close their eyes to it than adapt.

Many people - most - will be okay. But some won't, and it's the needs of small proportion who won't who are in question here.

Zoraya ter Beek had unbearable mental suffering. Her evaluation and approval process for assisted dying took three and a half years.

Maybe we could push them out on ice flows.

Really, the fact that you think this is a reasonable argument is the exact reason that it should never be allowed.

I hadn't noticed that the right wing was arguing for more investment in the health service and care and welfare services recently! (genuine observation - if they have, please correct me)

In my view it's the moderate - left govts who tend to be more in favour of the idea of health services etc - that's who set them up in the UK and elsewhere.

I don't actually know which political flavours support euthanasia more, but I do think that the more right wing ones are less inclined to support health services. At least, judging by the results in the UK the last forty years.

It might not be an acceptable solution, but it is a solution for people who want it.

How are you going to conjure up carers and nurses to look after the growing number of vulnerable people?

I wish I was shocked that you think this is an argument.

How about children that cost the education system too much money next?

I don't think @NullaEffugium will ever accept that someone might genuinely know their own mind and want to die. Too challenging to face perhaps.

What quality of life does for example a double-incontinent dementia sufferer really have? Why would you want to continue living like that?

Lots of disabled people are doubly incontinent. It doesn't make someone's life worthless.
Dementia varies. It can mean you can still live at home alone with someone helping with things like bills, right to needing 24 hour care.

Obviously I'm talking late stages of dementia when some people even forget how to eat. Why would anyone want to continue living having lost everything that made him a person and all dignity? What's the point?

That isn't the point.

The point is, what if the person themselves wants to die because they feel they don't want to live like that? Neither you nor I can speak for them.

If there is no funding and not enough people willing to care for vulnerable people, what do you suggest?

It’s the government of the day that decides how the money is spent. Not enough people are paying taxes and Rachel Reeves damaged the job market.

Turn this around @TempestTost

Why do you think it's alright that people are living in pain and not wanting to live, and we could help and don't?

There is a vital need for assisted dying and euthanasia to end severe suffering,

People deserve bodily autonomy and the right to die on their own terms.

Have you seen a person with dementia living at home on their own ? Yes there are different types, stages. It may be ok initially but it doesn't last.

100%

We are in the minority here!

So if the child is a girl, then along with the 2 young women and 1 elderly woman who have been controversialy euthanized, it would make all 4 of those controversially euthanized female.

I understand it is a contentious issue. There are of course different issues here - a person being able to consent to this and the one in the OP which it is where a child . It is so individual and the people who have had disabled children are obviously outraged by this. This is the thing - each case IS individual and would not to be considered in that light ! By not having this as an option though people are being denied this self determination.

More women than men choose assisted dying. Men are more likely to choose violent unassisted suicide.

I assume double incontinent dementia sufferer you have in your mind doesn't have capacity to decide when they reach this stage. So without their direct request this would be considered murder.
Besides, you just don't know what's going on in their minds, they might be fine with their state, even though it seems vegetated life to the rest of the world.