Just cant help feeling it would have saved money and been clearer to say screening services for people based on their sex!

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This information is for trans (transgender) and non-binary people in England. It tells you about the adult NHS screening programmes that are available in England and explains who we invite for screening.

We use trans as an umbrella term to embrace the diverse range of identities outside the traditional male/female definitions. These include transgender, gender fluid and non-binary.

Full details and listings (long) at https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/nhs-population-screening-information-for-transgender-people/nhs-population-screening-information-for-trans-people

Just think if created by sex it would be of use to everyone, and even educated some about screening that might need or should have.

But then you could say that about breast cancer survivors couldn’t you? Somehow they still know to attend screenings even after a mastectomy, so why would the fact someone has decided to identify as a man and get a mastectomy be different?

It quite clearly isn't, since as it says in this document, you probably don't need breast screening if you're a female with no breasts. BUT you might under certain circumstances, in the same way that males don't usually need breast screening but sometimes they do. That's literally the point of the document.

They know they still have to attend screenings because they've been told so, due to their history of cancer. The NHS guidance for trans people says the opposite -- "We recommend you consider having breast screening if you have not had chest reconstruction (top surgery) or still have breast tissue." i.e. they don't need to.

They'd rather put their health at risk due to words than admit the truth?

This says something about a mental health crisis we shouldn't be enabling in schools and universities etc so it gets to this stage then doesn't it?

If someone is in this much of a state that they can't acknowledge their own sex, then they should be referred for counselling because this issue doesn't just go away because you pander to word salad. It just makes them more at risk because medical blunders and a failure in communication occur instead.

Stop wasting money and putting WOMEN at risk with this shite because there's a hell of a lot more women for whom a lack of clear communication will harm than there are transpeople.

The world should not be revolving around this shite.

Well if the NHS is saying they don’t need it then…. What’s the problem. If they are confused, it is on the transperson to clarify isn’t it? Or are you saying transpeople should not take responsibility for their health?

It’s the trans identity/gender reassignment that makes them a minority. The majority of people don’t have it so it is a minority of people

But that’s like saying women who have breast implants or men who have hair transplants are a minority isn’t it. Just having body modifications does not make you a minority does it?

People having body modification isn’t a protected characteristic, gender reassignment is…

So what is gender reassignment if not body modification?

I don't see anything wrong with it. It's factual information about how they will be called up, or not, for screening depending on the sex they are registered as. I don't personally believe sex should be changed in GP records but regardless, the fact is that it can be and that affects screening.

There is nothing wrong with writing outreach literature for specific populations in a way that is accessible to them. The issue arises when general information is bastardised and made incomprehensible to your average person.

I'm GC but I don't want trans-identified people to miss out on healthcare and if this information helps then great. Being against it simply because it doesn't correlate with your personal beliefs is spiteful in my opinion.

It very clearly is not since some trans-identified women are registered as male and therefore not called up for cervical screening. This makes clear how they can still access it.

The only harm done to trans people by the NHS is the detrimental side effects of cross sex hormones and mutilation surgery. All of it done at the request of said trans people. There is no ‘literal violence’ done to anyone by acknowledging their biological sex, and offering them health screening relevant to it. TiM’s need prostate checks and TiFs need cervical screening and mammograms. Biology doesn’t stop being biology because someone is being allowed to indulge their delusions.

No, the point I was making is that trans people make up a very small percentage of the population and have a specific protected characteristic to stop discrimination. It’s because of this trans people are considered a minority

But they know they are female. They must have requested the change. So it’s on them isn’t it? They need to tell the GP or whoever that they still need the screenings.

So in your eyes are octogenarians a minority? They have a specific protected characteristic and make up a small percentage of the population.

Yes it seems useful to me and is clearly directed at people with trans identities. It was when it spilled over into general health that it bothered me (the whole 'person with a cervix' INSTEAD of women stuff)

No, I would argue they don’t face the routine discrimination that a minority does

Yeah it's on them to organise their own screening. The information in the link tells them what they are entitled to and how to access it, if you take the time to read it.

You said nothing about discrimination. You said a minority had a protected characteristic. If we’re talking people with a protected characteristic that are discriminated against, women would be a minority by your definition.

Exactly. Women had to be salted people with a cervix. And when women complained, saying it dehumanised them and reduced then to body parts, and that women who did not have English as a first language may struggle to understand it meant them, they were told to suck it up as it wasn’t a big deal. So why is the reverse not true? If it’s not a big deal for women to be called people with a cervix, surely it’s not a big deal for TIF to be called women right?