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16 year old girl dies of strangulation during sex

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Mommydearest40 · 27/08/2026 12:29

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2026/aug/27/a-16-year-old-girl-has-died-from-suspected-sexual-choking-how-do-we-come-to-terms-with-this-ntwnfb

In Australia. Supposedly consensual but then how would anyone know? The author is a bit ‘right on’ / pick me cool girl, saying ‘we don’t want to be pearl clutching about porn’ right after describing how violence against women is normalised in 35-45% of it.

A 16-year-old girl has died from suspected sexual choking. How do we come to terms with this? | Lucy Clark

We can no longer deny that many children get their sex education from online pornography. But the normalisation of violence can lead to tragedy

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2026/aug/27/a-16-year-old-girl-has-died-from-suspected-sexual-choking-how-do-we-come-to-terms-with-this-ntwnfb

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MusselTryHarder · 27/08/2026 12:46

If that was my daughter and I’d read that article I would be very pissed off #NotAllPorn

Lostsadandconfused · 27/08/2026 12:56

That’s both very sad and very frightening.

I’ve done some things that a lot of people would consider fairly extreme, but I have never let anyone choke or strangle me. Never will either.

Dryshampoofordays · 27/08/2026 13:00

Why would the presumption be that a 16year old girl consented to being strangled to death? This kind of violent and dangerous behaviour should not be normalised by the police. Treat it with the same suspicion they would if she had been found strangled in any other location or during any other activity. Poor girl and her poor family.

Mommydearest40 · 27/08/2026 13:03

Added to the list of things I never thought I’d have to speak to my daughter about and my mum certainly didn’t have to speak to me about.

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HalzTangz · 27/08/2026 13:08

Coronation street has been doing a storyline about strangulation during sex over the last few weeks, I would urge anyone with teenagers to sit down with them and watch the episodes

NeverDropYourMooncup · 27/08/2026 13:15

RC school - the PSHE lessons include a very terse 'If he ever puts a hand on your throat, you run, you block him, you don't speak to him again, you don't give him a second chance or you will end up dead or on life support whilst he stands up in court and tells everybody, your parents, your granddad, your aunties, your baby brother, all of TikTok and social media that you were really easy and liked it rough'.

NotBadConsidering · 27/08/2026 13:15

I really don’t think it’s appropriate to write an opinion piece if there’s an active police investigation and it hasn’t been fully determined what happened. What if it transpires she was trying to fight him off?

SulkingInTheCatio · 27/08/2026 13:19

There was an English woman a few years ago, uni student age, who went to Australia and was strangled after a date. He tried to say it was rough sex which went wrong but thankfully didn’t get away with it.

ginasevern · 27/08/2026 13:21

It's got to be a murder charge, otherwise men will continue to strangle women under the guise of "consensual".

Shortshriftandlethal · 27/08/2026 13:21

She seems to be spending half of that article defending porn and sexual fetish as some sort of counter-blance to the fact that a young girl has been killed by her boyfriend during sex.

thenightsky · 27/08/2026 13:23

Dryshampoofordays · 27/08/2026 13:00

Why would the presumption be that a 16year old girl consented to being strangled to death? This kind of violent and dangerous behaviour should not be normalised by the police. Treat it with the same suspicion they would if she had been found strangled in any other location or during any other activity. Poor girl and her poor family.

They need to start treating it as deliberate murder. Nobody can consent to being murdered. Make an example of the perpetrators.

FirmSnake · 27/08/2026 13:30

Absolutely terrifying how normalised this is becoming.
She was strangled to death. It is murder.
Funny that it never happens the other way round....

MyKindHiker · 27/08/2026 13:37

Hm yes I do want to be pearl clutching about porn actually. My pearls are truly clutched. It's an absolute scourge on society and has taught a whole generation of young men that violent sex is normal. Even when they aren't hurting anyone it's just rubbish performative sex with no focus on what actually feels nice for either party and should be stopped for that.

I would fully support a blanket ban on all violent porn, so any porn showing women being hit or strangled.

People have managed to have a w*nk without a screen full of gang bangs in front of them for millennia. Just ban it.

NotBadConsidering · 27/08/2026 13:38

thenightsky · 27/08/2026 13:23

They need to start treating it as deliberate murder. Nobody can consent to being murdered. Make an example of the perpetrators.

But before it’s even decided whether sexual strangulation should always be a murder charge or not, it should be decided whether or not this is sexual strangulation, or just a straight up murder. The only thing determining it’s a case of sexual strangulation is

A source informed about the case said the teenager was believed to have become unconscious as a result of asphyxiation during sexual intercourse, often referred to as “choking”. No arrests have been made.

So the case for the defence has already been put out there and widely accepted but there hasn’t even been an investigation yet.

Maybe this poor girl was just straight up murdered and sexual strangulation had nothing to do with it.

Write an opinion on “educating boys about porn” when it’s been to court, not a few days after her death.

wishingonastar101 · 27/08/2026 13:40

'ethical porn' what is that?

MyKindHiker · 27/08/2026 13:42

NotBadConsidering · 27/08/2026 13:38

But before it’s even decided whether sexual strangulation should always be a murder charge or not, it should be decided whether or not this is sexual strangulation, or just a straight up murder. The only thing determining it’s a case of sexual strangulation is

A source informed about the case said the teenager was believed to have become unconscious as a result of asphyxiation during sexual intercourse, often referred to as “choking”. No arrests have been made.

So the case for the defence has already been put out there and widely accepted but there hasn’t even been an investigation yet.

Maybe this poor girl was just straight up murdered and sexual strangulation had nothing to do with it.

Write an opinion on “educating boys about porn” when it’s been to court, not a few days after her death.

She's dead of strangulation because someone strangled her. That is, de facto, a murder.

The sexual strangulation is a moot point based on the idea that it can under some circumstances be a safe and consensual sexual practice.

The law in the UK has changed now to effectively say that if you strangle someone, you do so knowing they may well die, therefore if they do, it's murder.

Same as the one punch killer - he punched a guy thinking he'd punch him, not that he'd kill him. But was convicted of murder (rightly) on the basis that he should reasonably have known punching someone in the head could kill them. Same for strangulation. You don't want to kill someone don't strangle them

Wishesandhorses · 27/08/2026 13:52

That poor child and her poor family. Dead at sixteen because experimenting with sex now means a girl might end up 'accidentally' murdered.

There has to be zero excuse for this in law; it's the only thing that will make a difference. Men and boys have to be absolutely bloody terrified of doing it.

NotBadConsidering · 27/08/2026 13:52

MyKindHiker · 27/08/2026 13:42

She's dead of strangulation because someone strangled her. That is, de facto, a murder.

The sexual strangulation is a moot point based on the idea that it can under some circumstances be a safe and consensual sexual practice.

The law in the UK has changed now to effectively say that if you strangle someone, you do so knowing they may well die, therefore if they do, it's murder.

Same as the one punch killer - he punched a guy thinking he'd punch him, not that he'd kill him. But was convicted of murder (rightly) on the basis that he should reasonably have known punching someone in the head could kill them. Same for strangulation. You don't want to kill someone don't strangle them

I completely agree with you.

But the sexual strangulation is not a moot point, because it’s being used a defence when it may not have even happened.

If it happened, murder.

If it didn’t happen, murder, and everyone at the Guardian is a fool for getting into a debate about sexual strangulation when it wasn’t.

Maybe he beat her up and strangled her. It’s one of the known warning signs of impending domestic murder. Maybe he’s a psychopath who knew if he claimed it was “sex gone wrong” he might get a bit of leeway. Who knows. No one does at this point.

My point is, there’s no point having a debate about the implications of sexual strangulation when no one has any idea about what actually transpired in the room apart from “a source informed on the case.”

DaisyDooley · 27/08/2026 13:54

I got together with my DH 23 yrs ago.
Before that I had lots of boyfriends, lots of sex. Never, not once did any one of them ask me if they could or try to strangle me.
This is a new ‘trend’ and it’s utterly terrifying how it has become ‘normalised’ by every young man having non stop access to porn.
It’s normalised the things we see in porn - anal sex, chocking on a cock durin* oral sex, hitting women during sex, yanking hair back.

It’s fucking terrifying .

MyKindHiker · 27/08/2026 13:56

DaisyDooley · 27/08/2026 13:54

I got together with my DH 23 yrs ago.
Before that I had lots of boyfriends, lots of sex. Never, not once did any one of them ask me if they could or try to strangle me.
This is a new ‘trend’ and it’s utterly terrifying how it has become ‘normalised’ by every young man having non stop access to porn.
It’s normalised the things we see in porn - anal sex, chocking on a cock durin* oral sex, hitting women during sex, yanking hair back.

It’s fucking terrifying .

Terrifying and also doesn't feel nice.

We should teach our young men how to be good lovers - they'd have much better sex, happier relationships and healthier lives.

We should also teach young women to demand good sex rather than going along with this nonsense.

TurkishShepherd · 27/08/2026 13:56

Everyone is very careful not to shame anyone about their sexual practices,

Hm, I'm really comfortable to shame some weirdos about their sexual preferences actually Lucy, especially when they look to hurt people (funny how 99% of the time people = women?) and put their lives in danger.

Blah blah blah head rush consenting adult blah blah. Unashamed consenting adults are fucking up the kids - no wonder the birth rate is dropping and half the girls are grasping onto the non binary/asexual labels if they're hearing from mates & seeing from porn that the lads want to strangle you.

This poor girl. I hope the perpetrator gets a decent sentence.

MyKindHiker · 27/08/2026 14:00

TurkishShepherd · 27/08/2026 13:56

Everyone is very careful not to shame anyone about their sexual practices,

Hm, I'm really comfortable to shame some weirdos about their sexual preferences actually Lucy, especially when they look to hurt people (funny how 99% of the time people = women?) and put their lives in danger.

Blah blah blah head rush consenting adult blah blah. Unashamed consenting adults are fucking up the kids - no wonder the birth rate is dropping and half the girls are grasping onto the non binary/asexual labels if they're hearing from mates & seeing from porn that the lads want to strangle you.

This poor girl. I hope the perpetrator gets a decent sentence.

But what I don't understand is, it's well established under UK law that there are many circumstances in which people are legally not allowed to consent to dangerous, damaging or degrading acts.

There was a famous case years back of a kink group who met up and shoved nails into their own privates and stuff. All consenting. All adults. They were all sent down for having injured one another because we have the idea in UK law that you cannot consent to someone cutting your ball off and recording it.

So why on earth should we be protecting the 'right' of women to engage in practices which could kill them and often aren't consensual anyway?

MyManinCaracas · 27/08/2026 14:02

A proper grown up woman can barely ask for what she wants, how is a teenager going to? I’m tired of acting like it’s okay for teens that young to have sex; they just aren’t ready or mature enough on so many levels.

mathanxiety · 27/08/2026 14:07

Why is it called sexual choking and why is the headline worded 'dies after'?

Choking is choking. She was strangled.