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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Why do some people view JK Rowling as transphobic?

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Backwardsbinn · Yesterday 20:33

Where do people get the idea that JK Rowling is transphobic from? Where? I’m having this argument with an acquaintance who tells me she’s the most transphobic person on earth but cannot point to one single thing that she’s done or said that’s transphobic. Is this the widest held totally bullshit view ever?

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Hedgehogforshort · Today 09:35

I do wonder if some of the TRA brigade muddle up KJK with JKR they all seem to struggle with reading properly.

SidewaysOtter · Today 09:35

JustEatThePizza · Today 09:26

Ah, the "transgender people were killed in the Holocaust, as well as some Jews" line.

Did you know that the top Nazi doctor was one of the pioneers of gender reassignment surgery? How does it make you feel that sex change surgery is heavily linked with the Nazis?

Shhh, these people don't want historical facts! Facts are bigotry. Revisionism is where it's at these days, get with the programme Grandad.

DialSquare · Today 09:36

SidewaysOtter · Today 09:34

If JKR would stop transphobiaing all over X (in between the eugenics and other unspecified crimes against humanity, honestly I don't know how she finds the time), she could have written the ninth by now.

Honestly, is there no end to the suffering she causes?!

Grin

Good point. Burn the witch!

AnAlpacaForChristmasPleaseSanta · Today 09:43

DialSquare · Today 08:59

It’s not a difference of opinion. We can say that we do not believe her to be transphobic because she has never posted anything transphobic and her other posts and actions support her stance on retaining female single sex provision. You can not provide any evidence of her transphobia and won’t even tell us what it is you actually disagree with her about her support for female single sex provision. So again, please provide evidence of her transphobia or you are proving our point that her detractors only have lies and hyperbole.

Oh not another one wanting evidence. Why is "she is because I say she is" not good enough for you people?!

Anyway if you ask @SidewaysOtter nicely then maybe they'll share some of their reading materials with you whilst you wait for this cast iron evidence which does not exist.

DialSquare · Today 09:48

AnAlpacaForChristmasPleaseSanta · Today 09:43

Oh not another one wanting evidence. Why is "she is because I say she is" not good enough for you people?!

Anyway if you ask @SidewaysOtter nicely then maybe they'll share some of their reading materials with you whilst you wait for this cast iron evidence which does not exist.

What I really need is Arabella’s chair. If she’s not still sitting in it waiting. Which thinking about it, she probably is.

Clusterfuckular · Today 09:50

DialSquare · Today 09:48

What I really need is Arabella’s chair. If she’s not still sitting in it waiting. Which thinking about it, she probably is.

At this point, my deckchair is pretty much a ship of Theseus.

MrPrettyDamnCosmic · Today 09:56

She has ... denied that trans people were killed during the Holocaust.

Trans people were only invented 50-60 years when men got access to female hormones, genital surgery & boob jobs so it is impossible that any "trans people" were killed during the Holocaust.

GreyskySexRealistsky · Today 09:57

AnAlpacaForChristmasPleaseSanta · Today 09:43

Oh not another one wanting evidence. Why is "she is because I say she is" not good enough for you people?!

Anyway if you ask @SidewaysOtter nicely then maybe they'll share some of their reading materials with you whilst you wait for this cast iron evidence which does not exist.

I know, right? Always demanding that pesky evidence....

I saw a thread on Site Stuff once that descended into criticising this board for always asking for evidence and statistics!

KinderOfKinder · Today 10:02

TransParentlyAnnoyed · Today 05:40

Her entire Twitter account is transphobia.

All of it. Calling trans women fetishists, claiming trans guys are all autistic mentally ill survivors (!!), taking the piss out of individual trans and nb people, pushing the 'trans away the gay' lie...only someone who is themselves transphobic refuses to see it.

She's also made some absolutely hateful, repulsive comments about asexual people.

Dismissing her behaviour as 'standing up for women' is deeply disingenuous. That doesn't explain why she reposted a thoughtful article about how a nb parent defined themself with nasty, disparaging comments, to give just one example.

All from a woman who employed a domestic abuser, refused to fire him, defended her decision and ignored the DV groups who asked her to reconsider.

Her attitude towards trans people is extremely consequential when they are suffering very real violence - particularly in schools.

She has reposted Islamophobic content, replied approvingly to obvious fascists and denied that trans people were killed during the Holocaust. She hasn't distanced herself from KJK or any other Islamophobic, racist anti-trans people.

She even defended that hateful, racist danger Linehan.

I'm aware asking 'what JKR has said that's so transphobic' is rarely done sincerely, but just in case: read her own words. Read, if you can stomach it, what she and her cronies (inc that worrying bloke who runs a trans woman parody account) say about trans women's bodies.

Read what she said about Imane Khelif, a young Muslim woman in whose country it's illegal to be trans. Look at how she publicly treated her, based upon little more than rumours and Khelif's appearance.

Khelif is a massive inspiration and fantastic female role-model for young girls in Algeria. They love her for that.

JKR's targeting of a brown Muslim woman has been noted by people normally uninterested in her anti-trans comments. She isn't a doctor, or on the Olympic Committee. It's horrific what she's put that young woman (who's lost plenty of matches to other cis women btw) and others through.

The evidence is all there. Bigots don't get to say they aren't bigots, that's for their targets to name.

Absolutely spot on.

I'm not entirely convinced JKR's behaviour goes into actual, verifiable phobia, but the (abundant) evidence is very, very clear; she constantly and consistently (and, quite possibly, pathologically) sneers at minority groups and uses her considerable fame and reach to punch downward. Those are not qualities that a moral, decent human being should ever exhibit.

That she also, genuinely, does spend some of her enormous wealth in supporting women's groups - which is to be rightly lauded - does not, in my view and the view of many, absolve her from accountability of the hateful, pernicious shit she spews.

hethor · Today 10:02

GreyskySexRealistsky · Today 09:22

[she] denied that trans people were killed during the Holocaust

I'm particularly interested in this bit @TransParentlyAnnoyed
What are you basing this on?
Not the Institut für Sexualwissenschaft again is it? I know that's a particular fave among TRAs.

I believe the TRA claim is that transgender people were targeted during the Holocaust, whereas the reality is that those transgender people who were victims were targeted because they were gay or Jewish. Correcting this TRA lie is of course considered transphobic and/or holocaust denial.

AlwaysExtraHot · Today 10:05

cherryicecreamisnice · Yesterday 20:46

It might be more to do with her opening Beryl’s place, a refuge for female victims of rape that don’t want to bump into any males no matter how they dress.

Beira's Place (sorry, I'm a pedant).
And that came a long time after the infamous essay.

My DP was adamant (the one time we talked about this issue) that the essay is transphobic, although I don't know why in any detail.

ninesparrows · Today 10:06

KinderOfKinder · Today 10:02

Absolutely spot on.

I'm not entirely convinced JKR's behaviour goes into actual, verifiable phobia, but the (abundant) evidence is very, very clear; she constantly and consistently (and, quite possibly, pathologically) sneers at minority groups and uses her considerable fame and reach to punch downward. Those are not qualities that a moral, decent human being should ever exhibit.

That she also, genuinely, does spend some of her enormous wealth in supporting women's groups - which is to be rightly lauded - does not, in my view and the view of many, absolve her from accountability of the hateful, pernicious shit she spews.

Still waiting for a shred of this "abundant evidence" thingy.

AnAlpacaForChristmasPleaseSanta · Today 10:14

GreyskySexRealistsky · Today 09:57

I know, right? Always demanding that pesky evidence....

I saw a thread on Site Stuff once that descended into criticising this board for always asking for evidence and statistics!

Haha I think I remember that too.

Maybe they should just cut out the middle man and rename this place the evidence and statistics board!

SidewaysOtter · Today 10:18

KinderOfKinder · Today 10:02

Absolutely spot on.

I'm not entirely convinced JKR's behaviour goes into actual, verifiable phobia, but the (abundant) evidence is very, very clear; she constantly and consistently (and, quite possibly, pathologically) sneers at minority groups and uses her considerable fame and reach to punch downward. Those are not qualities that a moral, decent human being should ever exhibit.

That she also, genuinely, does spend some of her enormous wealth in supporting women's groups - which is to be rightly lauded - does not, in my view and the view of many, absolve her from accountability of the hateful, pernicious shit she spews.

Citation needed.

Theeyeballsinthesky · Today 10:20

SidewaysOtter · Today 10:18

Citation needed.

You'll be waiting a verrrry long time!

AimsAndObjectives · Today 10:24

JustEatThePizza · Today 09:30

JKR is targeted because she's basically a mother figure to many of these outraged teenagers and young adults.

Yesterday they announced Hogwards Legacy 2 video game. I saw online activists losing their minds over it, with accusations that it will lead to murder of trans people etc. Don't they learn that they tried this with the first game and no one listened.

I do wonder if some of the older TRA males insist that the (often) vulnerable youngsters denounce JKR, as a warm-up for getting them to reject their families. A practice run for giving up something that you love, that has meaning for you, that sustained you in your childhood. Part of the grooming, in other words.

JustEatThePizza · Today 10:24

KinderOfKinder · Today 10:02

Absolutely spot on.

I'm not entirely convinced JKR's behaviour goes into actual, verifiable phobia, but the (abundant) evidence is very, very clear; she constantly and consistently (and, quite possibly, pathologically) sneers at minority groups and uses her considerable fame and reach to punch downward. Those are not qualities that a moral, decent human being should ever exhibit.

That she also, genuinely, does spend some of her enormous wealth in supporting women's groups - which is to be rightly lauded - does not, in my view and the view of many, absolve her from accountability of the hateful, pernicious shit she spews.

Punching down.

This was what Ricky Gervais was accused of with his standup routine.

He was "punching down" at multi-millionaire Bruce Jenner.

RedToothBrush · Today 10:26

KinderOfKinder · Today 10:02

Absolutely spot on.

I'm not entirely convinced JKR's behaviour goes into actual, verifiable phobia, but the (abundant) evidence is very, very clear; she constantly and consistently (and, quite possibly, pathologically) sneers at minority groups and uses her considerable fame and reach to punch downward. Those are not qualities that a moral, decent human being should ever exhibit.

That she also, genuinely, does spend some of her enormous wealth in supporting women's groups - which is to be rightly lauded - does not, in my view and the view of many, absolve her from accountability of the hateful, pernicious shit she spews.

How very dare she not be kind to people who have sent her death threats for saying its impossible to change sex.

iwishitwouldstartraining · Today 10:31

KinderOfKinder · Today 10:02

Absolutely spot on.

I'm not entirely convinced JKR's behaviour goes into actual, verifiable phobia, but the (abundant) evidence is very, very clear; she constantly and consistently (and, quite possibly, pathologically) sneers at minority groups and uses her considerable fame and reach to punch downward. Those are not qualities that a moral, decent human being should ever exhibit.

That she also, genuinely, does spend some of her enormous wealth in supporting women's groups - which is to be rightly lauded - does not, in my view and the view of many, absolve her from accountability of the hateful, pernicious shit she spews.

of the hateful, pernicious shit she spews.

That humans can't change sex and that sex is sometimes relevant?

TheKeatingFive · Today 10:31

What is this 'hateful, pernicious shit' btw? Can we get some examples? @KinderOfKinder

SidewaysOtter · Today 10:32

RedToothBrush · Today 10:26

How very dare she not be kind to people who have sent her death threats for saying its impossible to change sex.

How very dare she just not be kind full stop. Everyone knows women are kind, soft, nurturing, motherly etc - after all, that's how the TIMs say they feel when asked how they 'know' they're women, yes?

JKR is just not womaning correctly.

SidewaysOtter · Today 10:34

Theeyeballsinthesky · Today 10:20

You'll be waiting a verrrry long time!

I've ordered the Dickens back-catalogue to give me something to do while I wait.

iwishitwouldstartraining · Today 10:34

Slightyamusedandsilly · Today 08:50

We are no more lying than you are. It's a difference of opinion. No more, no less.

This obsession with it and other issues related to is weird.

Whereas I think it's weird to campaign to have the concept of sex discrimination removed from Equality Law.

Potato Potahto I suppose.

JKRismyPatronus · Today 10:35

When JKR put out this tweet, she got so much abuse from TRAs, really horrible messages. She was sent so many she could have papered a room with them but she didn't back down.

Maybe some people on here think that she has gone too far but they never look at their own side and the blatant hatred being spewed. 'Suck my girl dick' is often used by TRAs as well as other flagrant comments, not suitable for MN.

All those saying that JKR is transphobic, this is what you are supporting. Misogynistic men feeling empowered to verbally abuse women. You are not feminists, you are hypocrits.

Why do some people view JK Rowling as transphobic?
6ate9 · Today 10:38

SidewaysOtter · Today 10:32

How very dare she just not be kind full stop. Everyone knows women are kind, soft, nurturing, motherly etc - after all, that's how the TIMs say they feel when asked how they 'know' they're women, yes?

JKR is just not womaning correctly.

If a man says he’s a woman that is the truth!! Women can’t question it. We have to “be kind.”