Are we a cult?

[CyclingSam]

I keep reading that sex realists, of which I am one, are a cult. Perhaps a genderist could be so kind as to explain what a cult is, and why we qualify. Sometimes one of us calls them a cult too. Who has a better case, hmmm?

Or we could say “ women “ and “trans women” - wouldn’t that save an awful lot of time and confusion? We all know what a trans women is don’t we, particularly in healthcare ( unless you are Dr Upton of course)

Transwoman or trans identifying man.

Trans woman implies they are a subset of women. They are not.

Woman are not now, have never been and never will be a sub-class of our own sex class. By definition "trans" women are male, otherwise what have they transitioned from? They are a sub-class of the male sex class, not the female.

"Violence against adult human females and child human females"

You wonder who this obfuscation serves.

(Reader, she did not wonder)

But “ black “ and “ white” aren’t “types “ of woman? And if we are thinking in terms of types, wouldn’t a trans woman be a type of man anyway?

Black and white aren't prefixes

I assume someone has already pointed this out to you (I haven't caught up with the thread yet) but in case they couldn't be arsed haven't, I now have

If the word 'woman' becomes unstable, so do the adjectives.

What is a tall woman or a short man if anyone can be a woman or a man?

American version
"Don't get your panties in a bunch (wad)"
Also said to both men and women

God, I really miss New Romantic, Goth, and Grunge looks for men. Glam Rock not so much but it worked for some of them.

Youth culture has become so conformist it's no bloody wonder so many young people (men in particular) feel their self-expression is straightjacketed these days.

OMG. 'Twas I who asked, long, long ago (yesterday) what terrible things JKR was thought to have done. I didn't expect it to spark a million page discussion about upskirting and knickers being got in a twist.

Sorry 😬

Nope.

Not chanting the doctrines and made up language of the GI cult.

A while back I wrote a very considered and nuanced post about how misogyny can manifest itself in discrimination and abuse of men as well, not because these men are in any way women but because the patriarchal devaluing of/disgust towards the female creates a cultural devaluing of/disgust towards men exhibiting socially female-coded aspects.

I understand that that could be a manifestation of misogyny, but would you label it differently? Femmephobia, maybe? (Sorry, feminist theory is not my area of expertise at all.)

Perfect! 😁

I use trans-identifying man, but my preferred option: actual woman and pretend woman, or even better: woman and man

I'm reminded of a student political activist who got to speak to a parliamentary committee about how trans he was. He described himself as a 'queer trans disabled lesbian woman'.

Im not sure if its clear what any of the words mean in that description.

There was a discussion upthread where someone described themselves as a trans pragmatist and I find that a great descriptor for my views. It’s finding what society can settle on to get some form of consensus going forwards and putting a space isn’t currently a problem from my perspective ( nor is using someone’s pronouns as long as that’s my choice and it is understood that doesn’t open access to women’s rights) although I appreciate that will not be the same for everyone ( #notacult ) Personally I want to de-stigmatise the term trans so that people don’t feel they have to cling so hard to the concept of themselves as a woman or man and can simply describe themselves as a TW/TM

That's almost the point isn't it?

To distract you from what you see with your eyes - 'middle class white male'

(I know he's white because he doesn't add this to his identity politics. I know he's probably middle class as he's university educated).

Why? this would mean misgendering somebody which we all know is leteral violence.

And also you run the risk of "outing" someone. which has been bad since the 80s and much frowned upon by th etrans community.

I think @Stonehenger should get FWRs derailer of the month award.
I'm currently up to 8 pages on whether "get your knickers in a twist" is a misogynistic phrase or not (and I'm still several pages behind the thread.
Bravo! That's some impressive derailing there.

🏆

Its not so long ago that TiM was banned on here.

You shall go to bed without supper tonight.

What's wrong with saying "masculine woman" or "feminine man"? That's biologically accurate and also gives you an idea of their gender identity without assuming that anybody actually is a subset of the sex they identify with.

Yes I got detention for using it. It depended on someone reporting you though. There was a prolific snitch reporter on here at the time.