Are we a cult?

[CyclingSam]

I keep reading that sex realists, of which I am one, are a cult. Perhaps a genderist could be so kind as to explain what a cult is, and why we qualify. Sometimes one of us calls them a cult too. Who has a better case, hmmm?

But again she didn't actually "upskirt" anyone, she committed literally no crime. JKR didn't use the already very well circulated photo to embarrass or shame or punish anyone, she did it to point out a man who is using a "trans identity" in order to exert his power over women.

Where is your appropriation towards India Willoughby who also shared the photo? Where are the accusations of "upskirting" there? Or are your appropriation and accusations of wrongdoing only reserved for females?

I don't see your concern for the women flashed by Fred in any of your posts at all. Maybe you could share a quote of yours?

Ah the same old fascist trick of an extreme example representing the whole.

And you people dare to proclaim yourselves as the stereotype police.

Nobody except the transwomen and their claqueurs think that these are "female associated behaviour traits" that transwoman are displaying. If anyone ever finds me doing the stupid prissy little head tilt, please have a stern word with me.
It's all surface, isn't it, there is no depth to any of this performative crap.

Ah the same old TRA trick of when backed into an indefensible position, call everyone who disagrees that men can be women fascists.

And you people dare to proclaim yourselves the tolerant, non-hateful ones. Remember to be kind now!

I'm not sure what your point is.

Do you engage in the groundhog day behaviour I described? If not, the reasons you may name change aren't really relevant, because that's not what I'm talking about. I'm talking about the people who do.

If you are denying anyone behaves as I describe, then you are quite simply wrong.

Firslty misogyny is based on sex, appropriating and changing the meaning of words is what the trans lobby has always done.

The fetishisation/sexualisation of trans women comes from them, how they dress and how they act. Not all, but a large sample of them are causing this and its not helped by how stonewall decided who should be put under the trans umbrella.

As for trans-men, the trans lobby didn't give a shiney shit about them until they could get some sort of polictal leverage out of them.

As for why trrans-men have been left alone, its because they have actually been quietly living their lives and going about their business without impeding how others live.

Ah the same old fascist trick of an extreme example representing the whole.

So now the hard done by victim of upskirting is an extreme example of poor behaviour (including of course exhibitionism)?

It’s convolutions of reasoning like this that make certain visitors so entertaining.

Misogyny is the the hatred of, contempt for, or prejudice against women or girls. Not a hatred of clothes.

Transphobia is the hatred of, contempt for, or prejudice against people who think they are the opposite sex.

Men may be victims of misogyny if they are mistaken for women. Nobody is mistaking Wallace for a woman. Especially in that photo.

It would be impossible for a TW to experience both misogyny and transphobia at the same time. He cant be hated for being a man a woman simultaneously.

Only TM can suffer from 'transmisogyny' the hatred of women and being trans.

TW may suffer from 'transmisandry' the hatred of men and being trans.

If hating clothes was a crime, no one could write a critical review of M&S dresses.

I know you know. I am agreeing with you, as you know 😁.

And you ain’t daft.

Performing female stereotypes and calling it "exhibiting feminine behaviour" is just more sexist stereotypes.

Being soft spoken, or liking to bake, wearing makeup and a pretty dress, or whatever, none of those things make a man less of a man.

Why can't they be things it's ok for men to like?
Why is it that if a man likes those things he must really be a "woman"?
Why can't that also be male behaviours and actions?
Why are TRAs so sexist?

indeed.

It is a ‘Howse that argument working for you?’ moment over and over and over.

I know you know that I know. And I know, as you know that I know, that you're agreeing with me 😆

And thanks 😁

If you are referring to Rowling, she isn't mocking female associated traits.

Fetishism and exhibitionism is associated with men.

It's a phrase I have used for 50 years both to women and to men. On that point I'm not going to lie, I assumed you were a bloke, given your over the top outrage at JKR over the sex dungeon owning, actual x rated photo publisher, and flasher having a photo distributed that wouldn't have existed if the man on the raised stage hadn't decided to flash the audience.

The basis for the mocking is that it is a male person.

A male person who declares that their presentation is in any way ‘female’ relies only on sexist stereotypes. It is not ‘misogyny’. People are pointing out that it is the male person’s acquisition of what that male person believes should be described as ‘female’ is sexist.

Any male person describing sexist stereotypical attire as ‘feminine’ is also the one who is misogynist.

A made up bullshit definition. I'm looking forward to reading the 'transgender bible' next. I wonder what this reminds me of... Ah yes, a cult!

Well, you might want to reflect on how you’ve been speaking to people for 50 years @Boiledbeetle ! There might be quite a few women who think you’re sexist and dismissive 😬

You know LOTS of women aren’t gender critical, right? LOTS of women think J K Rowling has become quite an extremist. It’s not just men who disagree with you.

Here we just think you come across as a bit of an idiot I’m afraid

Fine sentinments indeed.

Yet despite all the deeply and actually misogynist abuse that JKR has been facing for years, you only felt you needed to jump in to "hold the line" in support of women when the target was actually a man.

So forgive me if I don't actually believe your motivations are as you claim.

Now I do believe you may think they are - we humans can be great at self deception - but to an external observer your actions do not align with your words. And it's what we do, not what we say, that betrays who we really are

Sitting on stage in a mini skirt with your flesh hanging out in ripped fishnets basically flashing to the audience is not a 'female associated behavioural trait'.

You don't seem to comprehend that calling female typical behaviours a stereotype is misogynistic. Not only is it assuming those behaviours aren't autonomous as in 'fake womaning' but its demeaning to those who express such behaviours INCLUDING WOMEN. You also don't seem to comprehend an attack on the associated female behaviours of transwomen (gender) is also an attack on women.

You can cut & slice this 'stereotype' pie any which way you like but its still M.I.S.O.G.Y.N.Y.

You think pointing out that telling women not to get their knickers in a twist is a bit sexist makes me an idiot?

I think you know it’s a sexist way to speak to someone, and it’s this kind of sticking up for each other NO MATTER WHAT - even in matters that aren’t about being gender critical - that makes it feels bit cult like in here?

Clearly you've never heard of Girls Gone Wild.

Perhaps you need to get out more.

So he is an extreme example?

Yet you think he is somehow 'female'?

Can you please explain why you think this man is a woman?

@CohensDiamondTeeth you’ve made some brilliant posts on this thread but I think this is my favourite

‘upskirting’ - honestly. You wonder how some people manage to get the correct number of legs in each of their trouser legs sometimes