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The Bluestocking Women's Pub, in which Gosie returns to the trail

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Magpiecomplex · 27/07/2026 20:46

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PastaAllaNorma · 01/08/2026 16:00

I'm afraid the capybaras are busy arranging an aqua mobility course at my request, but I'm sure someone will become available by Monday or Tuesday.

There seems to have been quite some difficulty dissuading Gillian from taking over, because "she can't actually walk, so we need to build up gradually" was NOT something our fitness gerbil was willing to accommodate.

ErrolTheDragon · 01/08/2026 16:14

MarieDeGournay · 01/08/2026 15:38

Cogidubnus, eh? never heard of him, but that name looks Celtic. A wild guess based on modern Irish: Cogi = war [cogadh in Mod Ir] and dubnus = black or dark, 'black' in Mod Ir is an intensive not a negative, so it could mean 'great warrior'.

Poor little Gubbins, I'm concerned for her emotional wellbeing - but she looked so happy in that image of her wearing a Cornetto 😀
but then again, associating happiness with high-sugar/fat/salt foods isn't good, is it?🙁

I know nothing of Cogidubnus beyond DH having some anecdote involving a classmate loudly saying “Cogi ‘oo?” at an inopportune moment. So I had a mosey at his wiki page.Seems likely that his name should be Togidubnus. So then I set perplexity.ai to work.
The ‘dubnus’ apparently means ‘deep’ or ‘world’ while the Togi could mean ‘oath’ or ‘axe’.

As to Gubbins - worry not, she’s fed exclusively on Bluestocking fare so the Cornetto is pure healthy joy.

ErrolTheDragon · 01/08/2026 16:19

EmpressaurusKitty · 01/08/2026 15:41

Listening to magpies earlier & even walking past a Magpie pub obviously reminded me of the Bluey, and seeing children & dogs playing in the water made me wonder if the young gerbils would enjoy similar? Is there anyone who’d be up for giving them swimming lessons over their holiday?

Apparently gerbils can swim but it’s not good for their coats and they may get hypothermia so sand baths are preferred. I’m sure we’ve got a beach or two for them to frolic on/in near the stream and also capybara pools.

i’m learning a lot this Teabreak. (WTF did my iPad decide to capitalise that?Confused);

AngleofRepose · 01/08/2026 16:39

Just come back from my first proper long walk in about two weeks, I think. Beautiful day, good breeze, and only about 23C. Perfect walking weather, finally. I hope I don't wake up tomorrow unable to walk!

Nothing much to report, just the usual empty streams and everything burned to a crisp (sun, not fire). The hazelnuts are dropping early and unfinished, which is a worry. I am also quite worried, actually, about the Cinnabar moths. All the ragwort that I saw has already gone by, completely, and ragwort is the caterpillars' only food. Might be a bad year for them.

The blackberries look nearly ready, believe it or not, and I saw windfall apples in someone's garden! I think I'll start the blackberry picking on Monday or Tuesday-ridiculously early!

Kitty, the river scenes looked so inviting! And, Pasta, I'm hungry again now, and I'm trying to walk more and eat less. I figure if I can lose a pound per week, I'll be at my target weight by Christmas (that's the plan, anyway).

EmpressaurusKitty · 01/08/2026 16:56

I was nibbling blackberries during my walk, Angle - they’ve been around for at least a couple of weeks in London! And yes, ridiculously early.

ErrolTheDragon · 01/08/2026 17:24

I saw some ragwort completely covered in cinnabar moth caterpillars several weeks ago.

Oh no… item on radio now there’s an outbreak of squirrel pox at Formby. Sad

Magpiecomplex · 01/08/2026 17:33

I pointed out the ragwort and accompanying snazzy caterpillars to the Magpie men while on holiday too, so fingers crossed they'll be ok. The cinnabar moths, that is, not the Magpie men. I know they're ok! They all have clean underwear now, too, having finally reached the bottom of the laundry pile. I might allow myself an ice cream in celebration.

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Magpiecomplex · 01/08/2026 17:35

Pardon the mess...

The Bluestocking Women's Pub, in which Gosie returns to the trail
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MyrtleLion · 01/08/2026 17:53

@Boiledbeetle this is your 5-15 minute (however long it takes me to sort it all out) warning that a new Gosie chapter is incoming!!!

MyrtleLion · 01/08/2026 18:02

6. The Correspondence

In which communication is attempted…

@ChristmasStars made tea while Gosie tried the telephone number on the card she had not been given. She had instead copied the number from a delivery van parked outside the workshop, a piece of initiative she had not mentioned to anyone and did not intend to.

It rang eleven times. Just as Gosie was about to end the call, a voice that was not the apprentice’s said conservation studio, and then said Fenella does not take calls without an appointment. Before Gosie could clarify that this was in fact why she was calling, the call ended with the particular finality of someone who had said this sentence a great many times and had long ago stopped finding it interesting.

“Well,” said ChristmasStars, setting down two cups, “that’s phones dealt with.”

Gosie looked at the details she had copied down from the van. There was an email address as well as the number.

“I could try email,” she said.

“You should try email.”

Gosie tried email. This took longer, partly because she wanted to get the tone right, professional but not officious, informed but not alarming, and partly because ChristmasStars kept looking over her shoulder and suggesting adjustments. This made the email progressively less like something Fenella Burnish would answer and more like something ChristmasStars would enjoy receiving.

“Take out warmest regards,” said ChristmasStars. “Too warm. She’ll think you want something.”

“I do want something.”

“Yes, but she mustn’t know you know that.”

The email went out some forty minutes later, considerably shorter than its first draft and considerably colder. A reply arrived almost at once, instant enough to make Gosie wonder whether it had been read at all.

It was an automatic reply. Fenella Burnish does not respond to emails without a prior appointment. Please write instead.

“Well,” said ChristmasStars, reading it over her shoulder, “that settles email.”

Gosie closed the laptop.

“Now a letter,” said ChristmasStars.

“It just told me to write instead,” said Gosie.

“Well then,” said ChristmasStars. “It’s practically an invitation.”

ChristmasStars was already rummaging in a drawer that appeared to contain nothing but stationery, most of it a shade of cream that suggested it had been purchased with some ceremony. She produced a sheet of Bluestocking notepaper, the small blue crest at the top slightly crooked in a way that indicated it had been printed by Galley and Gutter rather than by a professional printer.

She set it in front of Gosie with the confidence of someone who considered the matter substantially resolved.

“She’s a glass conservator in the Fens,” said Gosie. “I don’t think Bluestocking notepaper will mean anything to her.”

“It means something to everyone eventually,” said ChristmasStars, in the tone of a cat who had watched this exact scepticism fail before and expected to watch it fail again.

Gosie wrote the letter. It said, in substantially more words than the email, that she hoped Ms Burnish would forgive an unannounced enquiry, that she had visited the workshop recently and understood entirely that appointments were required, and that she would be glad of a little of her time when it was convenient, regarding a small matter of shared interest in cathedral glass. She did not mention Durham. She did not mention Ripon. She did not mention the symbol. She signed it, addressed an envelope, put the letter inside, sealed it, and ChristmasStars drove them both to the nearest postbox with the solemnity of someone attending a small funeral. She hoped that was enough.

“Now we wait,” said ChristmasStars.

“For how long?”

“Days. Weeks, possibly, given what you’ve told me about her.” She said this without concern, the way one might discuss weather rather than a plan.

Gosie considered this. Days of waiting, however good the tea, was not a plan so much as an absence of one.

“In the meantime,” said ChristmasStars, already reaching for the car keys, “Cambridge.”

“Cambridge doesn’t have a chapter house.”

“Cambridge has King’s, Trinity, Great St Mary’s and roughly a dozen other places with more stained glass per square foot than anywhere else in the country, and you’ve spent three months looking exclusively at chapter houses. It seems worth broadening your education while we wait for the post.”

There was, Gosie had to admit, a logic to this that did not entirely rest on ChristmasStars simply wanting a day out.

King’s College Chapel was, whatever else could be said about the search, extraordinary. The great east window rose the full height of the building in a way that made conversation feel briefly unnecessary. Gosie stood beneath it for a considerable time, notebook open, camera ready, finding nothing, and finding it very beautiful while she found nothing.

Trinity was similar, if smaller, if quieter, if equally free of anything resembling a circle crossed by three diagonal lines.

Great St Mary’s had a verger who talked for twenty minutes about a restoration in the nineties that had nothing whatsoever to do with Talmere, funded instead by a local trust with a name so resolutely unglamorous that Gosie wrote it down anyway, out of a completeness she suspected was becoming a personality trait.

By the time they reached the fourth chapel, a smaller one ChristmasStars insisted was underrated and everyone else insisted was closed for a private function, Gosie had photographed a great many beautiful windows and confirmed that Cambridge, whatever it was, was not where the Margrave’s money had gone.

“Nothing,” she said, on the walk back to the car.

“Nothing today,” said ChristmasStars, entirely unbothered, as though today and eventually were simply different words for the same certainty. “The letter’s still in the post.”

https://myrtlelion.substack.com/p/6-the-correspondence

The Bluestocking Women's Pub, in which Gosie returns to the trail
EmpressaurusKitty · 01/08/2026 18:03

I’m really sorry about this but I’m going to admit that the messy cornetto pics make me feel a bit sick.

It’s a phobia of messy eating that I’ve had from childhood - stupid I know, but genuine.

Please could they not become a regular thing?

Boiledbeetle · 01/08/2026 18:25

EmpressaurusKitty · 01/08/2026 18:03

I’m really sorry about this but I’m going to admit that the messy cornetto pics make me feel a bit sick.

It’s a phobia of messy eating that I’ve had from childhood - stupid I know, but genuine.

Please could they not become a regular thing?

And while we are on the subject I personally don't particularly like my food items to mix too much, so separate bowls as well please, especially as the gerbils will be doing the dishes.

Who dropped the cherry in the chocolate sauce?

The Bluestocking Women's Pub, in which Gosie returns to the trail
Boiledbeetle · 01/08/2026 18:27

@MyrtleLion thank you for the warning

Gosie did put a stamp on the letter didn't she?

Magpiecomplex · 01/08/2026 18:43

EmpressaurusKitty · 01/08/2026 18:03

I’m really sorry about this but I’m going to admit that the messy cornetto pics make me feel a bit sick.

It’s a phobia of messy eating that I’ve had from childhood - stupid I know, but genuine.

Please could they not become a regular thing?

Sorry.

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MyrtleLion · 01/08/2026 19:14

Boiledbeetle · 01/08/2026 18:27

@MyrtleLion thank you for the warning

Gosie did put a stamp on the letter didn't she?

I honestly don’t know. We’ll have to wait and see if Fenella Burnish replies.

EmpressaurusKitty · 01/08/2026 19:16

Magpiecomplex · 01/08/2026 18:43

Sorry.

Edited

No I’m sorry - I know it’s daft!

NotAtMyAge · 01/08/2026 19:49

ErrolTheDragon · 01/08/2026 17:24

I saw some ragwort completely covered in cinnabar moth caterpillars several weeks ago.

Oh no… item on radio now there’s an outbreak of squirrel pox at Formby. Sad

😟😟

EmpressaurusKitty · 01/08/2026 19:54

I’ve just learned where the origins of the Order of the Bath came from.

I’m listening to this really fascinating book called The Eagle & the Hart: The Tragedy of Richard II & Henry IV, by Helen Castor.

Apparently it used to be tradition that on the night before his coronation, a king would spend the night awake in prayer & then have a special bath to represent his purification.

When Henry IV was crowned, 46 of his most loyal supporters, including 4 of his sons, did the praying & bathing 2 nights before the coronation, & he appointed them Knights of the Bath 😀.

Apparently the official Order of the Bath came some time later but this is where it started. It’s one of those things I always vaguely wondered about but never got round to looking up.

RumNotRun · 01/08/2026 20:00

Hi all, large mojito please Bar Gerbils, light on the ice, heavy on the rum 😁 I was out last night with friends, much alcohol was consumed so I'm feeling a bit tired today and have only just caught up on the chat.

One of my favourite phrases that I remember from learning Russian in school is "excuse me please, where is the tourist attraction?" I can't remember directions in Russian but can finish both sides of the conversation with "thank you very much, you've been very kind" " Don't mention it". Very helpful!

Also, the spiced nuts by @PastaAllaNorma reminded me of the jerk peanuts I used to make. Make up your jerk seasoning (or buy some), melt butter, cover peanuts with butter. Mix the jerk seasoning with grated lemon and orange zest. Combine that with the buttery peanuts and roast. Ridiculously addictive! I really should make some again soon as I have a massive pot of jerk seasoning I mixed up a while ago. I think I stopped making them as I have no off switch for peanut consumption.

I went to Morrisons on Thursday and they had massive tubs (probably 1kg cause the were approx the same size as the large greek yogurt pots) of garlic spread for 63p! It has to be used by the end of August so there will be a lot of garlic cooking in my future. I made air fried garlic chicken breasts with it today and despite the chicken being garlicky enough to ward off even the most persistent of vampires, it looks like I've barely used any!

Magpiecomplex · 01/08/2026 20:16

Rabbits don't like garlic, Rum, if that helps. I maintain that this makes them a type of vampire.

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MyrtleLion · 01/08/2026 20:17

EmpressaurusKitty · 01/08/2026 19:54

I’ve just learned where the origins of the Order of the Bath came from.

I’m listening to this really fascinating book called The Eagle & the Hart: The Tragedy of Richard II & Henry IV, by Helen Castor.

Apparently it used to be tradition that on the night before his coronation, a king would spend the night awake in prayer & then have a special bath to represent his purification.

When Henry IV was crowned, 46 of his most loyal supporters, including 4 of his sons, did the praying & bathing 2 nights before the coronation, & he appointed them Knights of the Bath 😀.

Apparently the official Order of the Bath came some time later but this is where it started. It’s one of those things I always vaguely wondered about but never got round to looking up.

That explains the connection with Westminster Abbey. Knights of the Order of the Bath and family members can get married there.

And every single monarch has been crowned there since 1066.

EmpressaurusKitty · 01/08/2026 20:28

The book tells how Richard II commissioned the incredible hammerbeam roof for Westminster Hall, too. I’m going to remember that next time I’m in there for something.

DauntlessDamson · 01/08/2026 21:28

EmpressaurusKitty · 01/08/2026 19:54

I’ve just learned where the origins of the Order of the Bath came from.

I’m listening to this really fascinating book called The Eagle & the Hart: The Tragedy of Richard II & Henry IV, by Helen Castor.

Apparently it used to be tradition that on the night before his coronation, a king would spend the night awake in prayer & then have a special bath to represent his purification.

When Henry IV was crowned, 46 of his most loyal supporters, including 4 of his sons, did the praying & bathing 2 nights before the coronation, & he appointed them Knights of the Bath 😀.

Apparently the official Order of the Bath came some time later but this is where it started. It’s one of those things I always vaguely wondered about but never got round to looking up.

I looked at that book in Waterstones yesterday, Kitty! I wanted to use the remaining few pounds from a book token I've had for ages, but eventually decided to buy it another time as I wanted a change from the Middle Ages. It sounds interesting though, I will definitely go back to it.

I ended up with 'The Place of Tides' by James Rebanks, a farmer and environmentalist from Cumbria, whose earlier books relate the changes in farming in the UK since WW2 and the effect some of those changes, such as grubbing out hedgerows, have had on the environment and wildlife. This book tells the story of the spring/summer he spent on a remote Norwegian Island with one of the last women to make a living, tending and protecting Eider ducks and their offspring, before harvesting the down from their abandoned nests to sell - a dying trade due to the harsh conditions. He credits his time on the island with changing his approach to managing his own family farm when he inherited it.

EmpressaurusKitty · 01/08/2026 21:42

Wow, that sounds fascinating, Damson. I’ll look out for it.

I listened to a biography of Cecily Neville, the mother of Edward IV & Richard III, recently and I wanted to go back further to see where they all came from. There are interesting titbits like the origin of the Beauforts and how the idea of replacing a king is slowly going from unthinkable to justifiable in certain cases.

Edited to add that BorrowBox (brilliant library audiobook app) had A Place of Tides so I’ve got it reserved 😀).

PastaAllaNorma · 01/08/2026 22:03

I enjoyed Rebanks' first couple of books, Dauntless.

I've finished the third book of Simon Scarrow's Wellington and Bonaparte quartet today and started on Olive Kitteridge that my friend loaned me.

Unfortunately I'm doubled up with period cramps again, so can't concentrate and have gone to bed with an audiobook instead.

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