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Trans Women are Real Women and Should Have Access to Women's Spaces

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user08101988 · Yesterday 12:32

Started because a thread on Girlguiding was getting too off topic.

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nicepotoftea · Yesterday 17:13

brown31c · Yesterday 17:12

Thank you for your courage. Trans women are women

Posting on an anonymous forum?

Wowthatwasabigstep · Yesterday 17:13

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brown31c · Yesterday 17:14

AImportantMermaid · Yesterday 12:43

No - if they were they’d be called women. There’d be no need for the trans.

Then why are you a CIS woman?

murasaki · Yesterday 17:14

Ereshkigalangcleg · Yesterday 17:13

Which governs access to single sex spaces. In that important piece of legislation it has been clarified that so called “trans women” are men. So do not have access to spaces for women only.

Indeed, it's pretty much the most important piece of legislation.

WrongKindOfFeminist · Yesterday 17:14

pollyglot · Yesterday 17:02

'Effeminate' men. In his own words. What about them?

Needapadlockonmyfridge · Yesterday 17:15

murasaki · Yesterday 17:12

In what way?

In their imaginations.

ByTheSeas · Yesterday 17:15

user08101988 · Yesterday 12:53

They are biological females due to this study: https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC8955456/

Also, if you think stripping down what women are to their body parts, that's what feminists fought against for years. Now women can get jobs, start bank accounts, own property, and so many more things. This is a very regressive view of what women are.

Nah, it just means they like to think they are!

nicepotoftea · Yesterday 17:15

Ereshkigalangcleg · Yesterday 17:13

Which governs access to single sex spaces. In that important piece of legislation it has been clarified that so called “trans women” are men. So do not have access to spaces for women only.

Maybe there is other relevant legislation, but it goes to a different school?

Taztoy · Yesterday 17:15

Sunnibee · Yesterday 17:13

ive explained why in at least two posts above.

But you say you want people to engage with the discussion. I did that. I do that every time someone comes along to discuss because I genuinely want to see if there’s a workable solution because I believe in sex based protections. You can’t pick and choose. You can’t say trans people are outed when they go to a unisex toilet for eg, when disabled people have to go to the disabled one. You can’t say trans people have the right to go to the toilet if their chosen gender when that contradicts the EA 2010.

Ereshkigalangcleg · Yesterday 17:15

ThatCyanCat · Yesterday 17:13

Yes of course. I didn't realise you were THAT new to this, are you going to tell us about DSDs next? You have to be a man to be a fa'afafine, nobody pretends they are women. It's a way of dealing with gay and effeminate men within the culture.

Jeez, we are two inches away from "gender neutral toilet at home", aren't we?

I’m astonished we’ve got to 778 posts with it not making an appearance.

GreyskySexRealistsky · Yesterday 17:15

ThatCyanCat · Yesterday 17:13

Yes of course. I didn't realise you were THAT new to this, are you going to tell us about DSDs next? You have to be a man to be a fa'afafine, nobody pretends they are women. It's a way of dealing with gay and effeminate men within the culture.

Jeez, we are two inches away from "gender neutral toilet at home", aren't we?

Hijra incoming.....

DrBlackbird · Yesterday 17:16

Sunnibee · Yesterday 16:58

I wasn't doing that no.

I was responding to the fact that imv the claim that "women need protection " has no place in a debate about whether trans women are women.

Okay. One more time.

A woman has been violently raped. You choose to claim that her experience is irrelevant to these discussions.

She does not feel safe around any men. Including men who claimed to have transitioned from men to being transwomen. The key lies in the word ‘trans’.

I’m just really trying to understand why you’d claim that women needing protection has no place in a debate about transwomen. The majority of which retain their penis.

Can you explain your reasoning?

WrongKindOfFeminist · Yesterday 17:16

brown31c · Yesterday 17:14

Then why are you a CIS woman?

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And this nonsense is why most women don't want to be called 'cis'. We are not a subset of our own sex.

You don't get 'male women' and 'female women'.

Marieb19 · Yesterday 17:16

Transwomen are men. The all have male chromosomes, have male physiques and the vast majority still have their penis and testicles. There is a huge amount of sissy porn on the internet if anyone really wants to know why they want access to women's spaces.

WearyAuldWumman · Yesterday 17:16

brown31c · Yesterday 17:14

Then why are you a CIS woman?

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There is no such thing as a 'cis' woman. There are women and men. That's it.

You must be fairly new here.

PrancingPanda · Yesterday 17:16

What change in the law regarding toilets was there, that a pp referred to?

Could @Keeptoiletssafe explain please?

DrBlackbird · Yesterday 17:16

GreyskySexRealistsky · Yesterday 17:15

Hijra incoming.....

Have we had Ladyboys yet?

murasaki · Yesterday 17:17

DrBlackbird · Yesterday 17:16

Have we had Ladyboys yet?

I'm nearing the end of my bingo card....

Taztoy · Yesterday 17:17

DrBlackbird · Yesterday 17:16

Okay. One more time.

A woman has been violently raped. You choose to claim that her experience is irrelevant to these discussions.

She does not feel safe around any men. Including men who claimed to have transitioned from men to being transwomen. The key lies in the word ‘trans’.

I’m just really trying to understand why you’d claim that women needing protection has no place in a debate about transwomen. The majority of which retain their penis.

Can you explain your reasoning?

This. Please can you explain.

I can’t describe what he did to me and I’m not allowed to describe the extreme panic attacks I have because they’re too upsetting for others to read, according to mnhq.

Magpiecomplex · Yesterday 17:17

They're just tag teaming now, aren't they?

spannasaurus · Yesterday 17:18

DrBlackbird · Yesterday 17:16

Have we had Ladyboys yet?

I'm waiting for two spirit and then I'll have full house

Sunnibee · Yesterday 17:18

DrBlackbird · Yesterday 17:16

Okay. One more time.

A woman has been violently raped. You choose to claim that her experience is irrelevant to these discussions.

She does not feel safe around any men. Including men who claimed to have transitioned from men to being transwomen. The key lies in the word ‘trans’.

I’m just really trying to understand why you’d claim that women needing protection has no place in a debate about transwomen. The majority of which retain their penis.

Can you explain your reasoning?

Because I don't believe that having a penis is the problem. I believe that rape is a social problem caused by men who choose to rape women.

Wowthatwasabigstep · Yesterday 17:18

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OneDreamyAquaEagle · Yesterday 17:19

Sunnibee · Yesterday 17:11

No they didn't. They ruled on what the word woman means as it appears in one piece of legislation- the EA 2010.

They did not rule that "a man is always a man, it's not possible to change sex, and a 'transwoman' is by definition, a man."

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It's quite a reach to believe that this means the definition only applies to the EA 😂

ThreadGuardDog · Yesterday 17:19

brown31c · Yesterday 17:14

Then why are you a CIS woman?

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Why are you suggesting that the definition of a woman requires a subset ?

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