Trans Women are Real Women and Should Have Access to Women's Spaces

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Started because a thread on Girlguiding was getting too off topic.

Cannot change the facts over the higher testosterone they will have had in their young bodies which will have made their bones & muscles develop totally differently from actual female women.
Feelings are something a brain makes up, hormones are physical atoms.

Where was this “gender critical propaganda” then?

The same.

I’m a victim of a rape so violent mumsnet won’t let me describe it.

as a result, I NEED sex based protections.

im also disabled.

why am I not allowed to speak on this thread?

If your daughter is old enough to be in Guides then she's probably been force-fed gender ideology/be kind/TWAW up to the eyeballs in school, not to mention that she already knows this person.

What about the other girls who don't know this boy, and who don't want him in their spaces? Do they get a say in this?

I reported you for mocking someone's abuse and I stand by it.

Is an eye roll emoji against the rules on mumsnet? Or does that only apply to people who challenge gender critical propaganda ?

You seem to lack understanding.

I will explain.

Rolling your eyes at a woman who is trying to discuss her needs because of a traumatic life event is callous, at best.

It reveals a very unpleasant desire to hurt and wound someone because they are vulnerable. Sneering at someone discussing their trauma is beyond the pale for most people.

That's why your posts are getting the response they are.

An eye roll made in response to someone who had given a clear explanation of why they needed the protections available to women.

Despicable.

I think part of the difficulty here is that we’re talking about two completely different things and sorry to cause any offence but I am still adapting and I am aware I may not be PC.

You’re talking about identity and ideology, what people “are”, what they “believe”, and whether others should validate that. That’s always going to lead to a yes/no fight.

I’m talking about practical safeguarding and practical inclusion. For me, the question isn’t “Are trans women real women?” or “Should women deny biology?”, those are loaded questions that don’t actually solve anything.

The useful question is: How do we design spaces and policies so that everyone’s needs are met without compromising anyone’s safety or dignity?
That’s where things like single‑occupancy unisex toilets, individual changing cubicles, mixed‑gender facilities alongside women‑only ones, clear safeguarding rules that apply to everyone …come in. These options don’t require anyone to deny biology, and they don’t require anyone to live a lie. They’re just practical solutions to a practical problem.

I don’t think we get anywhere by framing it as “women must accept X” or “women must deny Y”. We get somewhere by looking at design, policy, and safeguarding, not ideology.

I believe that is 'women talking'.

It isn't. Unfortunately that won't stop people. Which is why they keep coming back. It's a sport. And a desperate need for attention. Because they know they're not going to get the validation they crave from women.

Biological men ....not women.

The useful question is: How do we design spaces and policies so that everyone’s needs are met without compromising anyone’s safety or dignity?

Sure - and having designated single sex spaces is fundamental to that.

Why on earth would you dismantle that basic premise?

Fucking disgraceful. I’m not allowed to talk on a feminist board and when I try to I’m mocked. Well. Isn’t that just lovely.

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I'm just waiting for the selective blindness from the rest of the Self-Identified Kind and Considerate Feminists.

Taz, many of us reported that horrible comment. I hope you're okay.

I’ve seen gender critical posters being deleted for posting a biscuit, and in one case a potato.🤷‍♀️

I've never seen that

Transwomen are transwomen. They can't be women, because they have always been men. Real women have always been women. Of course you can call yourself whatever you like but you will never be a real woman and none of us will ever be convinced you are a real woman.

The principal question which the court addresses on this appeal is the meaning of the words which Parliament has used in the EA 2010 in legislating to protect women and members of the trans community against discrimination.

It is true that the court did not consider whether, for instance, the phrase 'I'll be mother' when serving tea or 'you old woman' when referring to a male dog are making a sex or species specific judgement.

However, anyone suggesting that they weren't clear about sex as it applies to legislation would be cynically and cruelly implying that there is doubt where there is none.

What did the poor potato do to deserve that?!