STOP MIS GENDERING ME JUST SAY SHE

[RogueFemale]

In case anyone has missed this prize example of a mentally ill adult male exhibiting trans entitlement.

You are right. Condescending and patronising. Well done. 😂😂 I agree that these fit the bill better than sarcasm. Go you

And the law...?

Yes, I'm waiting for the law too @DetectiveDouche . Do tell.

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Just counting down to the flounce as we are all meanies.

A certain user name gives me the ick, and sounds American.

Detective it looks like you've fallen for the nonsense spouted about feminists by TRAs. They lie about what gender-critical means and what feminists think about trans people, to make it sound like it's all about hate, intolerance and some kind of conservative adherence to stereotypes.

No. GC feminists understand that trans people exist - ie people who want to think of themselves as the opposite sex and "live as" the opposite sex (though that is only possible by following sexist stereotypes) – but they do not think these trans people have changed sex. (Nor do many trans people themselves, of course.) And they think this matters, particularly for women, who are at risk from men as a sex class in various situations and suffer from unfairness because of their sex. Denying and ovverriding sex as a category endangers females, but not males - because of the inherent importance of sex.

We absolutely do not think you have to stick to some strictly defined gender stereotype because of the sex you were born and are. What bollocks. It's the total opposite. You have a sex, and because that can't change, it matters - for safety, privacy, fairness in sport, health and medicine, the disadvantages incurred by childbearing, who you're attracted to, and so on.

Aside from that, you should not be held back by your sex or limited by gender stereotypes about how you should look, dress, your interests, your sexual orientation etc. Feminists are opposed to gender stereotypes being forced on people because of their sex. That's what "gender-critical" means.

It is genderists who link stereotypes to sex by insisting that if you're a feminine man, you must be a woman, and vice versa, or thinking that a man can "be" a woman by adopting a bunch of offensive sexualised stereotypes that most women do not embrace.

Lastly, gender-critical feminists are, amazingly, not generally far right fascists. They tend to be lefties and often lesbians. Fascism and far-right movements aren't known for their defence of women's rights.

Some on the right agree with us, but that's because most people agree there are two sexes and humans can't change sex. It's just that only those on the right can say it without being massively persecuted by their peers because the left has swallowed all this guff.

Why would you want to cause someone distress by referring to them by a gender they no longer identify with just because of your narrow minded beliefs?

Is that illegal, too?

Are narrow-minded beliefs also illegal?

Pray, do tell! To which laws are you referring?

You rang? 😁

Guys. Imagine you had a child. And like any loving mother or father, you cherished and adored that child and gave them everything you could and you were immensely proud of their loving caring ways and the open communication you had nurtured and created. And eventually, your child, with their individual permit that you had watched, with pride, evolve into a personality separate from you and their other parent but with so many of your qualities and features, and who had grown into a sensitive, clever, kind and somewhat anxious teen, opened their heart and told you the biggest source of their angst.. and it was that they really didn't identify with their own, born gender, they had always felt like this, gradually grown to understand it and found the concept of continuing through life in that gender unthinkable.. and they asked for your help, guidance and support, because that's what you'd always given them and they expected nothing less.

Imagine also that this teenager was your son. Would you really, honestly say, hell no.. you are a boy.. you were born a boy, you have a penis, you've always been a boy and you will grow into a man and you will live that well defined gender role. People will always call you he. You will never be she and I will never ever support you on trying to be anything other than male.. so do not expect this of me. You can expect people to shun you, deny your lived experience and feelings.. some will ridicule you and insist on calling you what you refer to as your 'dead gender'. As for be.. i agree with them.. I support their way of thinking.. You deserve this for daring to express what you are feeling which is so far from what I want for you.. and I cannot conceive of ever feeling any other way.

Is this what you would do? Is this what you would feel? Honestly? All you educated, articulate people of mumsnet?

And the law, Dectective? Thanks.

(I will read your post, but right now you are deflecting from the main issue)

This is actually very well articulated and provides food for thought and you managed it all without condescension. I'm shocked I do declare!!

On the off chance that you are referring to myself, sorry to disappoint but I do not flounce or refer to people as meanies 😂. The only reason I'm giving it all this much of my attention is because I'm distracting myself from something else.

Guys?

Oh good lord... 🙄

Would I agree with my child that they have somehow changed sex? No.

Also you have completely missed that it isn't us that is pushing 'gender roles'.

And the emotional manipulation can get in the bin.

Next.

'Would you really, honestly say, hell no.. you are a boy.. you were born a boy, you have a penis, you've always been a boy and you will grow into a man'

Duh?

And the law?

I think the protective laws make it illegal to behave in a prejudicial way towards trans people. Obviously, I've been fact checking because you lot are good. Mean.. and it would seem somewhat inaccurate at times, .. anand sometimes outright wrong sometimes outright wrong, even whist being uber articulate. But good at expressing yourselves nonetheless . Having had what I have said twisted up like a pretzel, I do standby what I have been saying all along; that the protected characteristic nature of perceiving oneself as trans, does make it illegal for people to abuse you because of it.

Which laws are you talking about?

No good comes of pretending. My (hypothetical) son’s sense of self will be fractured if I pretend he is female - no good comes from living a lie.

Folks? Does that sit better?? 😂 (Really??!!!)

And eventually, your child, with their individual permit that you had watched,

This doesn't make any sense.

they really didn't identify with their own, born gender,

You're not born with a gender, you're born with a sex. Which can't change.

you were born a boy, you have a penis, you've always been a boy and you will grow into a man

yes

and you will live that well defined gender role.

No, because the boy was not born with a gender role, he was born with a sex. Male. How he chooses to demonstrate his personality as a male is up to him, as long as he doesn't take anyone else's rights away.

You can expect people to shun you, deny your lived experience and feelings..

Well, this is the truth.

As for be.. i agree with them.. I support their way of thinking.. You deserve this for daring to express what you are feeling which is so far from what I want for you.. and I cannot conceive of ever feeling any other way.

No of course not. You're saying that we would tell our child we agree he should be "shunned" and that he "deserves " that? Where do you come up with? What a bait and switch!

There are other ways of explaining how you feel about things without blaming someone.

(or maybe you don't know of any other way)

I suspect you may be being rather near sighted when you consider the concept of your child's mental health and well-being.

Which "protective laws"?

We were not talking about "abusing" anyone.

You said it was illegal to call a "transwoman" a man. Several times. Clearly illegal. Show us that law.

@DetectiveDouche

Yes, it's a difficult situation you're presenting, but that's precisely why the facts have to be laid down clearly: because any lying or smudging of the facts only makes the eventual pain worse.

Sex is inescapable. Gender presentation can be played with as much as one wants. Pretending that sex can be changed through gender presentation is not right nor healthy. That's it, really.

Shame you didn't give any attention to digging up that law that we are all waiting to read.