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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

STOP MIS GENDERING ME JUST SAY SHE

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RogueFemale · 22/07/2026 22:04

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WrongKindOfFeminist · 23/07/2026 21:35

DetectiveDouche · 23/07/2026 21:27

I think the protective laws make it illegal to behave in a prejudicial way towards trans people. Obviously, I've been fact checking because you lot are good. Mean.. and it would seem somewhat inaccurate at times, .. anand sometimes outright wrong sometimes outright wrong, even whist being uber articulate. But good at expressing yourselves nonetheless . Having had what I have said twisted up like a pretzel, I do standby what I have been saying all along; that the protected characteristic nature of perceiving oneself as trans, does make it illegal for people to abuse you because of it.

Edited

Illegal to discriminate.

With the comparator of a non trans person.

Hedgehogforshort · 23/07/2026 21:36

yep an American.

@DetectiveDouche I assume that is what happened to you and what was said to you.

I would have mortgaged my house to get you therapy to help you navigate your feelings and how best to live your life.

i would not however accept whatever ultimatums you gave them. I would have tried to find a work around.

but i would draw a line about name changes, sexed pronouns and all of that affirmation rammel.

RedToothBrush · 23/07/2026 21:38

DetectiveDouche · 23/07/2026 21:17

Guys. Imagine you had a child. And like any loving mother or father, you cherished and adored that child and gave them everything you could and you were immensely proud of their loving caring ways and the open communication you had nurtured and created. And eventually, your child, with their individual permit that you had watched, with pride, evolve into a personality separate from you and their other parent but with so many of your qualities and features, and who had grown into a sensitive, clever, kind and somewhat anxious teen, opened their heart and told you the biggest source of their angst.. and it was that they really didn't identify with their own, born gender, they had always felt like this, gradually grown to understand it and found the concept of continuing through life in that gender unthinkable.. and they asked for your help, guidance and support, because that's what you'd always given them and they expected nothing less.

Imagine also that this teenager was your son. Would you really, honestly say, hell no.. you are a boy.. you were born a boy, you have a penis, you've always been a boy and you will grow into a man and you will live that well defined gender role. People will always call you he. You will never be she and I will never ever support you on trying to be anything other than male.. so do not expect this of me. You can expect people to shun you, deny your lived experience and feelings.. some will ridicule you and insist on calling you what you refer to as your 'dead gender'. As for be.. i agree with them.. I support their way of thinking.. You deserve this for daring to express what you are feeling which is so far from what I want for you.. and I cannot conceive of ever feeling any other way.

Is this what you would do? Is this what you would feel? Honestly? All you educated, articulate people of mumsnet?

I don't need to do much imagining here.

Nor do lots of our regular posters.

Try harder.

Men still can't become women. And the law says this too.

Nul points.

WrongKindOfFeminist · 23/07/2026 21:38

DetectiveDouche · 23/07/2026 20:42

@Ereshkigalangcleg .. no you cannot.. you absolutely cannot lawfully and legally do it. Not if they identify as female. Won't stop you of course. (That's where the prejudice comes in ). But it won't be lawful or legal.

Laughably you probably have referred to someone as she who you would not choose to, because they looked female and you didn't know the difference. 😂

Hope that helps.

Good lord. How on earth did you end up here? What are you basing all this nonsense on?

BaronessEllarawrosaurus · 23/07/2026 21:38

Actually its a daughter but I did. Ok she's saying no binary as she doesn't identify as female but so fucking what neither do I. I don't even understand the concept of identifying as female and I sure as hell am not feminine. Look anyone can dress or do anything they want that's legal, have a relationship with anyone male or female that is mutually wanted but my dd will always have a female body, no matter what she does to it (hopefully nothing) it will always react as a female body, even if given testosterone it will react to it as a female body because that is what it is and always will be and no amount of wishful thinking or reassignment surgery will change that.

I care far too much about my daughter to be anything other than truthful with her.

nolongersurprised · 23/07/2026 21:39

DetectiveDouche · 23/07/2026 21:31

I suspect you may be being rather near sighted when you consider the concept of your child's mental health and well-being.

No. “Transitioned” adults have shit mental health. Better to live as your actual “true self” and not an imaginary one. Humans can’t change sex.

WhatterySquash · 23/07/2026 21:40

Of course I would tell my son that he's male, a boy and that cannot be changed. It would be cruel to tell him he could change sex, because it's not possible, and people being told it is regularly end up with horrendous damage to their bodies and lifelong health complications that cannot be put right. This increases the suicide rate after transition.

I would much rather help my son to accept and be happy in his inherently sexed body.

That does NOT mean I would say to him he has to spend his life acting out a gender role! Why can't you see the difference? Gender stereotypes are arbitrary, harmful, restrictive social expectations that make life so much harder for those who don't fit into them. You should be able to accept your sex and also be as masculine or feminine as you like.

It happened to me, I was a tomboy and wished I was a boy. Of course I did - because boys seemed to get to do and be all the fun stuff that I wanted.

But it was the 70s and people were still sane and adults told me that I couldn't be a boy, but I could be a girl who got to climb trees and play with airfix and have short hair if I wanted. So I did.

I passed through wanting to be a boy and realsied it was gender stereotypes that gave me that message and I could kick them to the kerb and live how I liked.

As it happened I wasn't gat but many young people in this situation are. The idea that they can opt out of being the sex they are is deeply ties up with homophobia and it is very often gay young people who end up being sterilised and daaged by this ideology, when they could have just been told they could be who they want to be without denying their sex.

And because I wasn't transed, I could go on to have kids and enjoy having a healthy body as an adult.

Of course that's what I would want for my son.

BridgetYourFortyDaysAreUp · 23/07/2026 21:40

DetectiveDouche · 23/07/2026 21:27

I think the protective laws make it illegal to behave in a prejudicial way towards trans people. Obviously, I've been fact checking because you lot are good. Mean.. and it would seem somewhat inaccurate at times, .. anand sometimes outright wrong sometimes outright wrong, even whist being uber articulate. But good at expressing yourselves nonetheless . Having had what I have said twisted up like a pretzel, I do standby what I have been saying all along; that the protected characteristic nature of perceiving oneself as trans, does make it illegal for people to abuse you because of it.

Edited

Having had what I have said twisted up like a pretzel,

Nobody has twisted anything you have said.

We have asked you questions that you do not have answers for. That's all.

Would you care to produce that law you about which you were so insistent? Still waiting.

ed sp

RedToothBrush · 23/07/2026 21:43

My none hypothetical brother didn't magically become a woman.

Neither did my none hypothetical best mates child who I'd known since he was eight.

Neither have any of the none hypothetical males in my life who have declared themselves women.

Funnily enough.

RedToothBrush · 23/07/2026 21:45

I can't believe we are back to the old cliché of the plopper poster who hasn't been around these parts long going "but if you knew any transpeople you'd understand more and be kinder"

Tone deaf to the point that many, many of us have loved ones who tried that shit on us and we still think they can't change sex and think the nonsense that you can is harming them because it's a massive lie that can't ever be fulfilled.

BridgetYourFortyDaysAreUp · 23/07/2026 21:47

I think Detective has disappeared. Drop a lie and then run. How childish.

And completely predictable.

DetectiveDouche · 23/07/2026 21:48

spannasaurus · 23/07/2026 21:29

Which laws are you talking about?

I'm not quoting any laws. I'm not a lawyer. I'm quoting the definition of protected legal status on the context of people define themselves as trans and who are being subjected to prejudice because of it.

RedToothBrush · 23/07/2026 21:49

DetectiveDouche · 23/07/2026 21:48

I'm not quoting any laws. I'm not a lawyer. I'm quoting the definition of protected legal status on the context of people define themselves as trans and who are being subjected to prejudice because of it.

Which you don't bloody understand!

Congratulations on spouting abject nonsense.

TheKeatingFive · 23/07/2026 21:49

DetectiveDouche · 23/07/2026 21:17

Guys. Imagine you had a child. And like any loving mother or father, you cherished and adored that child and gave them everything you could and you were immensely proud of their loving caring ways and the open communication you had nurtured and created. And eventually, your child, with their individual permit that you had watched, with pride, evolve into a personality separate from you and their other parent but with so many of your qualities and features, and who had grown into a sensitive, clever, kind and somewhat anxious teen, opened their heart and told you the biggest source of their angst.. and it was that they really didn't identify with their own, born gender, they had always felt like this, gradually grown to understand it and found the concept of continuing through life in that gender unthinkable.. and they asked for your help, guidance and support, because that's what you'd always given them and they expected nothing less.

Imagine also that this teenager was your son. Would you really, honestly say, hell no.. you are a boy.. you were born a boy, you have a penis, you've always been a boy and you will grow into a man and you will live that well defined gender role. People will always call you he. You will never be she and I will never ever support you on trying to be anything other than male.. so do not expect this of me. You can expect people to shun you, deny your lived experience and feelings.. some will ridicule you and insist on calling you what you refer to as your 'dead gender'. As for be.. i agree with them.. I support their way of thinking.. You deserve this for daring to express what you are feeling which is so far from what I want for you.. and I cannot conceive of ever feeling any other way.

Is this what you would do? Is this what you would feel? Honestly? All you educated, articulate people of mumsnet?

Of course I would tell my son that he was a boy.

Because loving someone isn't affirming their every whim.

Loving someone is sometimes having the hard conversations and facing up to the difficult facts.

No human can change sex. No human can genuinely live their life as the opposite sex. It would be extremely irresponsible (even cruel) parenting to pretend otherwise.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 23/07/2026 21:50

Calling men, men isn’t discrimination or subjecting those men to prejudice. The legal position is that they are men, how could it possibly be illegal to state it 🤣

BridgetYourFortyDaysAreUp · 23/07/2026 21:50

DetectiveDouche · 23/07/2026 21:48

I'm not quoting any laws. I'm not a lawyer. I'm quoting the definition of protected legal status on the context of people define themselves as trans and who are being subjected to prejudice because of it.

You said it was illegal to call a "transwoman" a man. Several times. Clearly illegal. Show us that law, please.

RogueFemale · 23/07/2026 21:50

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Seethlaw · 23/07/2026 21:51

DetectiveDouche · 23/07/2026 21:48

I'm not quoting any laws. I'm not a lawyer. I'm quoting the definition of protected legal status on the context of people define themselves as trans and who are being subjected to prejudice because of it.

That only means that you can't treat a man who identifies as trans worse than one who doesn't.

Can you tell a man who doesn't identify as trans that he's a man?

Yes?

Then you can do the exact same to a man who identifies as trans.

No prejudice whatsoever.

BridgetYourFortyDaysAreUp · 23/07/2026 21:51

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Oh, but he has A LAW. (we just don't know which one because he won't tell us)

#SadTimes

DetectiveDouche · 23/07/2026 21:52

BridgetYourFortyDaysAreUp · 23/07/2026 21:47

I think Detective has disappeared. Drop a lie and then run. How childish.

And completely predictable.

Christ on a bike. If you define disappearing as walking my dog and loading the dishwasher then yes, I "disappeared"., 🤣 I always find it a little funny when people declare "the OP has disappeared!" No, alas, the various OPs in question have in many cases no doubt gone to attend to something some refer to as "real life" ..

DetectiveDouche · 23/07/2026 21:52

BridgetYourFortyDaysAreUp · 23/07/2026 21:51

Oh, but he has A LAW. (we just don't know which one because he won't tell us)

#SadTimes

Which little man?

BridgetYourFortyDaysAreUp · 23/07/2026 21:53

DetectiveDouche · 23/07/2026 21:52

Christ on a bike. If you define disappearing as walking my dog and loading the dishwasher then yes, I "disappeared"., 🤣 I always find it a little funny when people declare "the OP has disappeared!" No, alas, the various OPs in question have in many cases no doubt gone to attend to something some refer to as "real life" ..

You said it was illegal to call a "transwoman" a man. Several times. Clearly illegal. Show us that law, please. I'm very interested to read it.

BridgetYourFortyDaysAreUp · 23/07/2026 21:54

DetectiveDouche · 23/07/2026 21:52

Which little man?

I have no idea, but I think you're asking the wrong poster.

DetectiveDouche · 23/07/2026 21:55

BridgetYourFortyDaysAreUp · 23/07/2026 21:50

You said it was illegal to call a "transwoman" a man. Several times. Clearly illegal. Show us that law, please.

You've twisted that. I said it's not legal to behave with prejudice against someone who defines as the opposite sex, by insisting on refering to them by what they perceive as their "dead gender"

WhatterySquash · 23/07/2026 21:55

I actually appreciate that Douche has not in fact plopped and run, but has engaged and albeit in a sometimes slippery way, seemingly started to give some of this some thought. It does look like it's hard for Douche to mentally grasp the difference between sex and gender, but some genderists wouldn't listen to these points at all.

God knows I've thrashed my way through these issued and teased out the logical fails of genderism a million times and don't need to do it again. But I do think dialogue is worth doing.