STOP MIS GENDERING ME JUST SAY SHE

[RogueFemale]

In case anyone has missed this prize example of a mentally ill adult male exhibiting trans entitlement.

@SodThisHeadache but I did not state what I believed PROTECTED LEGAL STATUS to mean.. I just stated that it existed.

Beep beep vehicle reversing.

Hmm but what you actually said was:

"The Mumsnet MAJORITY get very.. aeriated.. at the fact that being trans is a PROTECTED LEGAL STATUS in the UK.. that's a fact.. doesn't matter how much they shriek on about birth gender being set in stone. It's THAT opinion that is not legally recognised anymore.. and yet it takes up so many pages of posts on all threads mentioning trans.. like these opinions are going to reverse the legal status that now exists!"

Which strongly suggests that you think the "PROTECTED LEGAL STATUS" of trans (in fact, legally, gender reassignment, not "being trans") is somehow contradictory to the idea that "birth gender" (presuming you mean sex) is "set in stone".

In fact, it is set in stone (i.e. unchangeable) and the fact that gender reassignment is a protected characteristic is not incompatible with that. Because gender reassignment being a protected characteristic does NOT mean trans people have a right to be seen as the opposite sex, or that they have changed sex. It means they shouldn't be treated differently because they are trans.

That also applies they other way round, so "gender reassignment" shouldn't mean you are granted the rights of a group you don't belong to, when no one else gets that privilege.

Indeed. To quote Hot Fuzz 'What a load of horseshit'.

@DetectiveDouche

So, PROTECTED LEGAL STATUS exists. What then, according to you, does it MEAN? (Please tell us what it MEANS, not what you BELIEVE it means, I know trans activists believe all sorts of things that are not true).

Or are you in a roundabout way saying you didn't understand the law? We have now explained it to you, so that's all good right?

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Who won't be helped by people aiding in his delusion. If he isn't capable of functioning on his own then he needs a carer.

I say this as an autistic woman with autistic children.

Where did misogyny come into it??

Thank you @DetectiveDouche for your acknowledgment (by the flowers you gave me) that you now understand

@RedToothBrush your prolific and lengthy observations (the facts as you see them) are the very definition of "the Aeriated of Mumsnet". 😂

Trans issues aren't going away though regardless. They are an aspect of personal identity that is legally safeguarded from discrimination.. whether the supremely educated of Mumsnet (as well as those who just see themselves this way/sincerely hope they come across this way) like it or not. You folk really can go on ad nauseum, stating your case, picking apart what you perceive as my understanding (or lack theteof) of The Law.. and yet STILL, .. people who see themselves as trans (whatever that means to them) will still see themselves as trans.. and a good many of them will cite the law as they understand it, to defend their right to call themselves trans. And on it shall go. While mumsnet is still chuntering away to itself to the tune of "a girl is a girl and a boy is a boy". <Wonders if chuntering can be perceived as misogynistic> 😂

To be fair everything you stated in that post, and others, was wrong, so what you 'believe' PROTECTED LEGAL STATUS to mean is likely to be wrong as well.

@SodThisHeadache . Protected legal status, in this context, means the right for a person who perceives themselves as trans, to be legally safeguarded against discrimination and harassment under anti-discrimination laws. This isn't what I believe items. It's simply what it means.

Yeees. But I, and others explained that some discrimination is lawful, under the Equality Act. It's lawful to exclude males (trans-identifying or not) from places set aside for women and girls.

Do you acknowledge that to be the truth?

It's not discrimination to say men cannot be women, and men don't belong in women's spaces or women's sports.

Behaviour similar to my 3 year old. He’s not mentally ill, he just thinks he is more Special than anyone else in the World so he can act any way he wants and is cross when someone tells him otherwise. He hasn’t been taught to regulate his emotions and respect authority. Looks like a simple case of bad parenting to me.

But people here don't have a problem with that. So what are we supposed to be "aeriated" about?

Of course

That does not mean, however, that they have any rights to spaces designated for the opposite sex. It also doesn't mean they are immune to the laws that govern society in general

Some adult men have taken this as carte blanche permission to do whatever they like. They have become increasingly more unreasonable with their demands and threatening when not obliged. And society has gone along with it.

Now boundaries are being put in and we see the results.

No. These men cannot do whatever they like. It is not discrimination to expect the same standards of behaviour and compliance with the law as everyone else.

The general consensus that "being trans" isn't even really a thing. That's prejudicial in an of itself and it jumps off the screen constantly on these threads. It's been that way for years. Even as the world moves on and peoples perceptions broaden, Mumsnet posters continue to struggle to accept that some people are trans. They dress it up in well worded arguments about women's rights (and incidentally, I believe absolutely that female spaces should be protected) ,but the message on here strongly suggests that so many believe that it shouldn't be an issue because people should just accept that they were born with a penis or vagina and live with that associated gender, despite how they may feel inside. It's so close minded. The world just isn't that black-and-white..

Blah blah blah.

Ok whatever you say.

Meanwhile the law ...

So you don’t believe “trans women” (who are all men however you dance around it) should be in women’s spaces then @DetectiveDouche? How is that different to anyone here?

@TheKeatingFive of course it doesn't mean that. Of course not. But it also means that people who feel like it cannot continue to insist on referring to someone as he when they identify as she or she when they identify as he. That's simply not okay regardless of someone else's opinion about it and the law says so. Mumsnetters seem to think they can do it however. Over and over again on trans related threads.

What? I can and will refer to men as men. It’s not illegal. Hope that helps @DetectiveDouche

To make this very very clear, for the 10th time, no I do not think that. The problem as I see it, is what you have just very clearly demonstrated. You have defined all trans women as men. As many on Mum'snet seem to do. And this is what you cannot do legally anymore. It's not ok. You just think it is.

Please quote the wording in the law that says I cannot refer to a man as a man, “legally”. What utter nonsense 😂

And what do you mean “any more”? I could a couple of years ago but I can’t now? What groundbreaking change in the law has occurred that I have missed?

All “trans women” were declared men by the Supreme Court in April last year. That’s as legal as it gets, lovey.