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The Bluestocking Women's Pub: Where the Bluebird Sings to the Lemonade Springs

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AngleofRepose · 12/07/2026 21:31

Croeso/Welcome to the Bluestocking Women's Pub, with our lovely gerbil staff, the icy Mojito foot-bath for those of you fed up with the heat, a Quilting/Craft Nook, lots of yummy food and drink with zero calories, gluten, or allergens, the Gerbil World Cup, and a brand new magic pool that becomes a babbling brook whenever you want it to!

Come on in! All women welcome! (Men welcome at The Staunch Ally pub down the road aways)

(security provided by the capybaras, lovely folk, but try not to get in their way)

(oh, and don't mention triangles, please. Gubbins gets very overexcited)

(did we mention the Gerbil World Cup?)

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Hedgehogforshort · 18/07/2026 23:45

SionnachairMhisg · 18/07/2026 23:43

Something stiffish, bar gerbil. And if you forget the water it's fine with me.

Waves

Haven't been around much lately - I have an insanely big writing project on the go - which is fitting if we're discussing literature, as I have been revisiting some old favourites for to see what makes them work.

I have a copy of The Goose of Hermogenes by Ithell Colquhoun which has been sitting in my TBR pile for ages, and I'm quite nervous about it; I do not thole surrealism very well.

Waves nice to see you

MyrtleLion · 19/07/2026 01:41

Hedgehogforshort · 18/07/2026 23:45

Waves nice to see you

Is that the Red Fox? Lovely to see you again 💙

Chickadeeinme · 19/07/2026 02:46

SionnachairMhisg · 18/07/2026 23:43

Something stiffish, bar gerbil. And if you forget the water it's fine with me.

Waves

Haven't been around much lately - I have an insanely big writing project on the go - which is fitting if we're discussing literature, as I have been revisiting some old favourites for to see what makes them work.

I have a copy of The Goose of Hermogenes by Ithell Colquhoun which has been sitting in my TBR pile for ages, and I'm quite nervous about it; I do not thole surrealism very well.

I'm with you @SionnachairMhisg - I do not thole surrealism well either. I object to a work of literature requiring the same kind of mental work as a crossword puzzle. I have no objection to challenging works, and no objections to crossword puzzles, but I don't want them to be the same thing.

DeanElderberry · 19/07/2026 07:45

Morning all. Yesterday was fun, lots to make me look at familiar places and things in a different way. I did take notes so if my slightly fried brain fails to retrieve stuff I should be able to find it. For me, the Words of the Wave was the least enjoyable, but that was because I'd been to the exhibition and read the catalogue and listened to podcasts, so it was not new information. Also it was the last session after an excellent lunch (see below). I really do think if a speaker says 'this is my last slide' he should not then show at least seven more slides. And if he's meant to finish at 15.35 he should not still be in full flow at 15.45. That's when I left.

Lunch was a cold buffet (top marks, in previous years we had an excellent hot lunch which would have been daunting) and I chose: cold ham cold beef walnut apple and raisin salad green salad beetroot potato salad honey and mustard dressing and one of the fancy cut radishes used as a garnish. I could also have had cold turkey cold salmon CRAB CLAWS pasta salad rice salad and possibly other things. Really really good, the pub it was held in is owned by a trained chef and it showed.

The desserts all had wheat in them, which was disappointing, but really just as well.

The drive there and back was through mixed farms - I'm in a dairy area, so seeing fields of wheat and huge loads of round straw bales was a novelty, though in the afternoon there were a lot of large and slow moving vehicles on the road.

And later I'm going to head back in the same direction (ish) to a car boot sale one of the old friends I met yesterday is involved in. In a county from which anyone with a scrap of local patriotism will have departed for the holiest afternoon of the year.

HAGADAPA

DeanElderberry · 19/07/2026 07:49

And Hedgey, I'm glad your nephew is continuing to make progress.

DeanElderberry · 19/07/2026 08:07

oh, and I had coleslaw, I knew there was something else. There was a general feeling that we'd have had good value for our money if we'd just come for the food, even without the international-reputation scholarly line-up.

The meet-and greet teas and coffees were not just accompanied by biscuits, but by sliced watermelon, so I had a wheat-free treat.

DauntlessDamson · 19/07/2026 08:45

The Gerbil Mile: A record was set…Several dozen gerbils exploded in different directions.Some raced around the track. Others simply picked a direction they felt emotionally committed to......

Brilliant Myrtle! Grin

# Be more gerbil

ErrolTheDragon · 19/07/2026 09:10

Your lunch sounds as though it was inspired by Ratty’s hamper - everything one could want for a cold lunch and then some.

backformoreofthesame · 19/07/2026 09:29

@MyrtleLionjust to say I am enjoying hearing about the gerbils as I pop in and out even if I don’t usually say anything

MarieDeGournay · 19/07/2026 09:46

backformoreofthesame · 18/07/2026 22:48

I was around a long time @MarieDeGournayand then took a wee break for my mental health as they say these days. you welcoming me back is lovely - I’ll stand you a drink

tractors just have a strange appeal

I still don’t know why you can’t get tractor driving experience days

I also want to to a train driver one

That's grand, back, I think you're not alone in popping in to enjoy the atmosphere for a wee while, but not joining in, partly because 'things' move so fast you're not quite sure what the latest 'thing' is, and partly because you're just not in a chatty-Bluey mood.

👋to anybody who fits that description.
👋in particular to dear Swash who I think pops her head around the door occasionally, but has a lot going on - hope it's all going OK housewise, Swash.

I'm glad I reached the appropriate level of Tigger-ish-ness in welcoming you back, nothing too OTT since you've been a regular beforeSmile
I'll gladly join you for a drink thank you - mine's a ..well at this hour on a Sunday morning, mine's a nice cup of strong teaBrew.
Sláinte!

ErrolTheDragon · 19/07/2026 09:53

It’d be an odd sort of pub if there weren’t people who drop in for a drink and the craic without saying much.

(Craic has, I think, been gladly adopted into English usage because there really isn’t any other word that works as well.)

BrewBrewBrewBrewBrewBrew brews of all types including iced.

MarieDeGournay · 19/07/2026 10:27

MyrtleLion · 19/07/2026 01:41

Is that the Red Fox? Lovely to see you again 💙

I was just thinking the same thing about SionnachairMhisg, Myrtle - I was going to post a 👋to an sionnach rua this morning.

I thought of you this morning, Sionnachair, because I was listening to John Bowman's programme of material from the RTE archives, and today it was about the 'king of the pipers' [uileann], Leo Rowsome, who was the 4th or 5th generation of a family of pipers so a direct link to the traditional music of the 18th and 19th centuries..

It included a live recording of Rowsome playing - though 'playing' is such an inadequate word for his performance! - 'The Foxhunt' - at a street festival, in 1955, to a crowd of people who no doubt said proudly for years afterwards:
'I was there at the Fleadh Cheoil in Loughrea in 1955 to hear Rowsome play The Foxhunt'.

It's a traditional piece, but Rowsome did the definitive version - the fox's song, 'An Maidirín Rua', The Little Red Dog', then the excited barking and yapping of the hounds, then the chase, then more yapping and then the kill, followed by a beautiful lament for the fox; the riders ride off home cheerfully - but the fox has the last word, 'An Maidirín Rua' ends the piece.Smile

If you're interested, Sionnachair:
Bowman: Sunday: 8.30 - RTÉ Radio 1
The Foxhunt starts at 16.29.

EmpressaurusKitty · 19/07/2026 10:31

I’ve just finished a session at the gym so I’m having a well-earned pub brunch.

Full veggie English without baked beans please, gerbils. And a big coffee.

Magpiecomplex · 19/07/2026 11:04

Just watched a John Deere combine drive past the house, extremely carefully. All the best holidays include combines.

The Bluestocking Women's Pub:  Where the Bluebird Sings to the Lemonade Springs
EmpressaurusKitty · 19/07/2026 11:12

A red tractor drove down my suburban London high street the other day. I wish I’d got a photo of it now.

AsWithGlad · 19/07/2026 11:36

The desserts all had wheat in them, which was disappointing, but really just as well.

My sympathies, @DeanElderberry . Was everything well labelled? I might have been a bit wary of the potato salad, the walnut etc salad and the coleslaw, as some chefs sneak wheat into the most unnecessary things - like mayonnaise - but you were there and know what your body wants.

A coeliac friend and I used to catch other’s eyes on similar occasions. In those days the g-f dessert was always Fresh Fruit Salad.

I’d have double desserts to make up for it now you’re back in The Bluestocking.

DeanElderberry · 19/07/2026 12:01

ErrolTheDragon · 19/07/2026 09:10

Your lunch sounds as though it was inspired by Ratty’s hamper - everything one could want for a cold lunch and then some.

The lunch was totally reminiscent of Ratty's hamper (concession re: spaces between words but no pesky commas). @AsWithGlad , they didn't label stuff, but it was being served rather than serve yourself, which meant there was no cross-contamination, and they knew exactly what was in everything.

One by one more letters on my keyboard are becoming sticky - first it was just 't' now it's 'y'. Please be tolerant.

Leo Rowsome used to visit a 'music house' in my village (before I came here) and collect tunes as well as play them. It's amazing how they travelled through the generations - a piper's tunes passed to a 'lilter', taken up by a fiddler, on to an accordion player, back to a fiddler, all in a century and a bit.

Car boot sale was interesting, I resisted plaster and china corgis and eye-wateringly expensive tree ferns, but bought a very pretty small-flowered Fuchsia and a rather battered Staffordshire sheep. On the way back my timing meant I arrived at the swing bridge just as it stopped to let the boats through, so I was able to get out and admire the broad majestic Shannon.

Temperature a comfortable 19. phew

Thehorticulturalhussie · 19/07/2026 12:03

DauntlessDamson · 18/07/2026 20:57

Or Hyppolyta - Queen of the Amazons and the original Wonder Woman?

I think that she is Boudicca, Hyppolyta and many others. We shall name-shift as we choose.

MyrtleLion · 19/07/2026 13:41

THE FINAL: Tunnel vs. Magic Roundabout

The morning of the final, Gerbil HQ did not so much wake up as detonate. Griselda had been awake since an hour she refused to specify, walking the pitch alone with her clipboard before anyone else arrived, checking things that did not need checking simply for the pleasure of checking them one more time before the world came pouring in.

And pour in it did. By nine o’clock the stands were already full, bunting strung in every direction Gwendoline’s arms could reach, Glory inflated to a size that constituted, by Griselda’s own written rules, a genuine structural hazard, and permitted anyway, because some days the rules simply step aside. Gertrude had spent the whole of the previous night building a seed mosaic the size of the centre circle — nobody was allowed to say what it depicted until the final whistle, in case saying it out loud jinxed it. Gwendoline’s programme notes had gone through so many drafts that the final version was less an article than a single, sustained shout of joy politely formatted into paragraphs.

Tunnel arrived first, on foot, overground, exactly as they had for their last two matches — no fanfare beyond their own quiet, hard-earned confidence, the whole team walking in together with the specific calm of gerbils who no longer needed anything to hide behind. The reception they got was enormous anyway; the crowd had watched them lose their signature trick and rebuild themselves from nothing, and there is no gerbil alive who doesn’t love that story.

Magic Roundabout arrived to their own theme tune turned up past sensible volume, Dougal cantering out ahead of everyone with her scarf streaming like a flag of intent, Florence serene as ever, Brian trotting along near the back looking faintly embarrassed by how loudly the crowd cheered her name. Zebedee bounced once, twice, three times just for the joy of it before anyone had even asked her to warm up.
Griselda stood at the centre circle for the coin toss and found herself, for one unguarded moment, simply grinning at the size of the whole thing — the noise, the colour, the two teams facing each other having earned every single step of the road here — before raising her paw for the whistle.

Minute 3: Dougal set the tone instantly, haring down the left with her scarf nearly horizontal, and the whole ground came up out of its seats before the move had even finished — it broke down harmlessly, but the roar it got suggested nobody minded.

Minute 11: GOAL, Tunnel. A patient move, no fewer than twelve passes, built the way they’d built every goal since the tunnels closed — careful, overground, and entirely their own — finished by a clipped shot into the far corner. 1-0. The Tunnel bench didn’t erupt so much as simply stand, together, in quiet, disbelieving joy, as if even they were still getting used to doing this the hard way and finding out it worked.

Minute 24: Magic Roundabout responded exactly as they had all tournament — Zebedee winning the ball back high, Ermintrude carrying it forward with unhurried elegance, Dougal arriving at the back post at full stretch to meet the cross.

Minute 25: GOAL, Magic Roundabout. 1-1. Dougal’s celebration took her three-quarters of the way round the pitch before Florence, laughing, physically intercepted her.

Minute 39: Brian — quiet again, exactly as she’d been before her semi-final heroics — popped up unmarked at the near post and turned a low cross goalward with the same modest, understated finish that had won the last match on her own. The keeper got a paw to it. It wasn’t enough.

GOAL, Magic Roundabout, minute 39. 2-1. Gwendoline, mid-riot in the press box, simply typed BRIAN AGAIN in capitals and moved on with her life.

Half-time: Both benches were unusually quiet, in the specific way of teams who know exactly how much is left to play for and don’t want to spend any of it on words. Tunnel’s captain drew nothing on the whiteboard this time — just looked at her team, said “same as Scotland, same as Discworld,” and left it at that.

Minute 57: Tunnel drew level with the goal the whole tournament had been building toward — the striker who’d spent a whole competition in the tunnels’ shadow, now fully visible, meeting a low cross first time and steering it in with total composure. GOAL, Tunnel. 2-2. The Tunnel bench this time did erupt, all at once, all together.

Minute 68: The game opened up properly, end to end, both sides throwing everything at it — Errol-less, Death-less, just two teams who had genuinely earned the right to be here refusing to give an inch. A long-range effort from Magic Roundabout’s midfield cannoned back off the crossbar with a sound the whole ground felt in its feet.

Minute 74: GOAL, Tunnel — the rebound from a corner, scrambled home from close range amid total chaos, Tunnel’s whole bench pouring onto the touchline before the ball had even fully crossed the line. 3-2. Griselda, watching, allowed herself a second small fist-pump and did not pretend otherwise this time.

Minute 82: Magic Roundabout threw absolutely everything forward, Dougal, Ermintrude, Zebedee all pressed high, and won a corner that felt, from the roar alone, like the whole ground’s held breath.

Minute 83: GOAL, Magic Roundabout. Dougal, again, meeting it flush at the near post, the ball in before the keeper had finished setting herself. 3-3. The noise that followed was less a cheer than a single, continuous, ground-shaking event.

90+2: Both sides pushed for a winner that never quite arrived, chances traded end to end, neither goalkeeper having a moment’s peace.

Full time: 3-3. Extra time.

Minute 96: Extra time settled into the same pattern as the second half — end to end, both teams giving everything they had left, which by this point was considerable and shrinking fast.

Minute 109: GOAL, Tunnel. A long throw, flicked on, met on the volley by the same striker who’d equalised earlier, struck with total conviction into the roof of the net. 4-3. The Tunnel bench barely had the legs left to celebrate properly and did it anyway.

Minute 118: Magic Roundabout won one last corner with almost the final kick of the match, Dougal rising highest of anyone on the pitch — and the header cannoned back off the crossbar for the second time, this time with no rebound to be had, the ball clearing everyone’s heads and out of play.

Final whistle.

FULL TIME: TUNNEL 4-3 MAGIC ROUNDABOUT.

For a long moment nobody on either side moved — both teams simply stood where they were, chests heaving, taking in the size of what had just happened. Then Tunnel’s captain dropped to her knees in the centre circle, and the whole bench came pouring across the pitch to bury her, and the ground came apart entirely — Gwendoline’s bulletin abandoned words altogether and simply became one continuous string of exclamation marks, Gertrude’s seed mosaic was finally revealed as a portrait of a tunnel entrance with the word HOME picked out beneath it, and Glory, at some signal nobody quite gave, was released to drift slowly and majestically over the crowd like the world’s most delighted weather balloon.

Magic Roundabout, to their enormous credit, formed a guard of honour without being asked, Dougal leading the applause loudest of anyone despite everything, Florence embracing the Tunnel captain warmly at the centre circle.

Griselda stood at the halfway line with her clipboard held against her chest, not writing anything at all, just watching, and let the whole overwhelming noise of it wash straight over her.

Greta’s line was waiting under the glass, and for once it had clearly been written well before the final whistle, as if she’d never doubted it for a second:

They gave up the tunnels and found the trophy anyway. Some gerbils don’t need to disappear to arrive.

TUNNEL ARE GERBIL WORLD CUP CHAMPIONS.

https://myrtlelion.substack.com/p/the-gerbil-world-cup-final

The Bluestocking Women's Pub:  Where the Bluebird Sings to the Lemonade Springs
Chickadeeinme · 19/07/2026 14:03

Yay Tunnel! A fitting final and an epic run by @MyrtleLion! Thanks for all the entertainment!

MyrtleLion · 19/07/2026 14:07

There is the awards ceremony to come later.

MarieDeGournay · 19/07/2026 14:09

What a moving final that was! Won deservedly by a team who had to entirely re-invent themselves during the tournament.
And Gertrude's mosaic in the centre circle - for one awful moment I thought: How did Gertrude know that Tunnel would win? Was the final a fix, orchestrated by the evil Gianna Gerbiltino?😱
But then I realised that her tribute to The Tunnel was to their spirit, not to the result: they had earned her tribute, win or loseSmile

Thank you so much for all the fantasy footie fun, Myrtle, it's been wonderful!

A technical question about the final - did you tell AI who you wanted to win, or did you give it the two teams and let it get on with it??

MarieDeGournay · 19/07/2026 14:27

MarieDeGournay · 18/07/2026 21:53

All this talk about literature.......

SDTGisAnEvilWolefGenius
We got temperatures in the mid 20s yesterday - maybe 26-27 - so my poor feet are swelling up again.

Blow, Northern winds!
Bring snow, bring sleet!
Bring cooling breezes
To Woley's feet

[eat your heart out, Chickadeeinme 😂]

I'm re-posting this because I'm not sure Woley saw it, and it would be a shame if she didn't see such a wonderful piece of poetry written especially for her. Well, for her feet, to be precise.😏

Somebody else who was wilting under the heat was Fuzzy and Mr Puffling too- (have your technical difficulties been sorted out yet, Fuzzy, are you back online?)
so..
Blow, Northern winds!
Blow chez Puffling!
And give their feathers
A cooling ruffling!

Chickadeeinme - you're really worried now, aren't you?😁

I'm hoping to bring out an anthology, all similarly based on the theme of the North wind and winter weather.
It's going to be called Poems About Snow, or in translation for the regional market Perms about Sner😂

MyrtleLion · 19/07/2026 14:49

MarieDeGournay · 19/07/2026 14:09

What a moving final that was! Won deservedly by a team who had to entirely re-invent themselves during the tournament.
And Gertrude's mosaic in the centre circle - for one awful moment I thought: How did Gertrude know that Tunnel would win? Was the final a fix, orchestrated by the evil Gianna Gerbiltino?😱
But then I realised that her tribute to The Tunnel was to their spirit, not to the result: they had earned her tribute, win or loseSmile

Thank you so much for all the fantasy footie fun, Myrtle, it's been wonderful!

A technical question about the final - did you tell AI who you wanted to win, or did you give it the two teams and let it get on with it??

AI wrote that Magic Roundabout won against the Hanseatic League. My prompts in italics.

Well that was a surprise. Did we agree who was going to win the semis
Claude:
No — we hadn’t discussed or agreed winners for either semi beforehand. I picked Magic Roundabout for this one on the fly. If you wanted Hanseatic League through instead, happy to redo it — just say the word.

Unsure. Thinking about their performance across the tournament, who deserves to win, either through better playing or otherwise? [I was assuming it would discuss who should have won that match]
Claude:
Looking at the arcs so far:
Magic Roundabout — beat Atlantis 4-2, then Hanseatic League 3-2, both fairly won, no trickery, no controversy. Brian’s redemption arc (unassuming gerbil, two crucial goals) makes them a satisfying, deserved semi-final winner on merit. Clean story, clean football.

Hanseatic League — hard-fought wins throughout (2-1 over Play School via a scrappy late corner, then pushed Magic Roundabout to the wire). Good team, slightly overshadowed by belonging to Dougal’s story rather than their own. Deserving of respect, not quite the underdog narrative.

Tunnel — the more interesting case. They won their quarter-final controversially (the tunnel trick), had it banned by the very team they beat, and then had to reinvent themselves entirely overground against Scotland — and did it well, scrappily, earning Griselda’s actual approval (“no ruling required”). That’s a real redemption arc: a team that got their signature move taken away and proved they didn’t need it. Strong “deserves it” case.

Discworld — won both knockout rounds partly through ambiguous, uncalled trickery (Death’s untouchable tackle, Nanny Ogg’s mystery object at the corner). Individually brilliant (Weatherwax, Errol) but their wins have a shadow over them that’s never been resolved or challenged the way the Tunnel team’s was.

If I’m picking on narrative merit rather than just “who’s the flashiest team,” Tunnel have the strongest claim — they’re the only side who had a controversy, had it ruled against them, and then won anyway playing it straight. That’s a good story to pay off in a final. Discworld winning again on another unexplained set piece would compound an issue we’ve already flagged once through Soo’s appeal, which could be worth revisiting rather than repeating.

Hope this helps!

EmpressaurusKitty · 19/07/2026 14:55

Brilliant. Well done Tunnel!!!!!

Is Greta a ghost gerbil or some kind of spirit of the Bluey?

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