'Arm the Dolls'

[WrongKindOfFeminist]

Pictured is Natacha Kennedy of Goldsmiths.

T shirt says 'Arm the Dolls'

No. You are still compelling speech, despite saying you aren't, and can't see why women deserve spaces away from men, including you. So it's a no from me.

Ah, so I have imagined all your posts on this thread?

Just getting on with your life, my cousin's club foot!

You don't understand why single sex spaces are wanted and needed.

You arent one of the good guys. If you were, you wouldnt want to be in women's spaces.

Quite the good guys stay out, so bad guys stand out.

You do realise an internet forum isn’t real life, right?

My day to day is incredibly unremarkable. I don’t have to tell anyone how to refer to me. I just quietly go about my business without making anyone uncomfortable. I’m the exact opposite of the people you mentioned. I’m not trying to steal opportunities or medals from women. I’m not violently threatening anyone because we disagree. I was just happily living my life until I got caught in the crossfire.

If that is the case you have a simple way to deal with your problem.

Stop trying to have the last word or somehow prove yourself right and everyone else wrong, and move away from what you describe as "the crossfire" and everyone else is perceiving as "DumbfoundedAndUnhappy banging on interminably about DumbfoundedAndUnhappy". Stop posting to the thread. Go cold turkey on telling women how horrible they are.

I assume nobody has tied you to the keyboard and started to administer painful electric shocks if you don't meet some sort of quota of posts per day?

You said "Is sharing with a trans woman really that bad?"

It indicates that you have no understanding of why single sex spaces and opportunities are needed, and if men 'share' these spaces they are no longer single sex.

You may quietly go about your business, but its not with any understanding of what it us to be a woman or girl.

I think you’re right. Being here is not a productive use of my time and is probably a form of digital self-harm.

Two things:

Yes, you did get "caught in the crossfire" and you are benefiting from it. The loudmouth, violent TRAs are taking women's stuff and so are you. What's the difference? The end result is the same.

"I just quietly go about my business without making anyone uncomfortable".
As we've said sooo many times on here, you do not and cannot know this. At all.

The loudmouth, violent TRAs are taking women's stuff and so are you. What's the difference? The end result is the same.
I’m not going to feel guilty for merely being trans because other trans people are horrible and awful.

As we've said sooo many times on here, you do not and cannot know this. At all.
You do realise I have eyes and a functioning brain, don’t you? I have seen zero signs that the make people uncomfortable, in fact quite the opposite. I know exactly what you’re going to say so you can save it. I’m not some oblivious idiot unaware of what’s going on around me.

They never talk about "The Bricks" do they?

You just don't get it. At all.

No one said you should feel "guilty" about being trans 🙄

Non-trans identifying men could say the same thing about "not feeling guilty" just because some other men are horrible and awful. The men I know are, by and large, lovely. But my partner, my dad, my brother, my male friends - none of them expect to be in women's spaces or take our stuff. Why do you?

"You do realise I have eyes and a functioning brain, don’t you? I have seen zero signs that the make people uncomfortable, in fact quite the opposite"
You haven't seen it so it didn't happen. Righto.
And no I won't "save it". I'll say what I want to say. Read it or don't read it. Understand it or don't understand it (I suspect the latter). Just don't come on here and dictate what others can say.

'Good ones'?

Men staying out of women's spaces is about the most basic expectation. I wouldn't say a man is 'good' because he respects women's single sex spaces. It's fairly neutral. No man deserves plaudits for actually just doing what the law and society expects.

You misunderstand. I was describing a misapprehsion on the side of women. The situation many of us assumed was the case was never in fact the case.

And in realising that, women like me have also realised that whole "actually a woman's mind, but in a man's body" is (a) really sexist if you believe as i do that a woman's mind isn't that different to a man's one outside the differences that arise from the different lived experiences that come with our bodies, and that there's no specific way for the mind of a female person to be other than simply being the mind of a female body; and (b) really sexist in that it removes the reality of being female and the needs and consequence of being female entirely from the framing of "woman".

So no, there isn't a good behaviour loophole you can decide should apply to you. There was a misunderstanding on the part of some women about what TW inclusion meant that has now been cleared up.

However, since you ask, while the persona you started the thread with might have qualified, your posts since have made it very clear you think you should have the right to be in women's spaces because you have somehow done enough to earn it rather than seeing it as a great honour women may chose to bestow on you and that places expectations on you to act with respect, humility and gratitude in return. The person posting now is no where near that imaginary TW some women thought they would be sharing with.

Nope, not at all.
'Call me 'she' or I won't speak to you.'

How do you think women feel, fighting off this BS year after bloody year?

'We want your stuff.'
'No.'
'We've got your stuff.'
'Give it back.'
'No. Can't make us, Stonewall says so...'
=> endless court cases. I don't know how much £££ I have chucked into various gardens.

Believe me, I resent having to PAY for me and my DDs to be able to have the things we used to take for granted.

And I'm not even one of the poor sods who has had to go to tribunal, or to court, or been sacked, or been doxxed, or been arrested for wrongthink because of the total insanity of trying to bully women into thinking that a man can change sex.

The disconnect is very clear. I wouldn’t like to even speculate on where the disconnect has come about. There are a few options from not consciously being done to full comprehension.

Neither option has is positive in anyway.

It is like we are on repeat.

You don’t know if you are or aren’t making female people uncomfortable. You have made that assumption.

Lack of negative feedback does not equal lack of negative impact.

Any claim to be the ‘first woman’ in any situation would be taking any opportunity that was not yours. Even if you feel you used the representative position to widen the opportunities for female people.

Claiming you have ‘just got caught in the cross fire’ while also exhibiting coercive tactics around language and passive demands of being treated as if you were female when you are male and not disclosing this when it is importanf is not ‘happily living your life’. Despite what you claim

Just more proof that you have no idea how female people react to situations.

Yet you demand (despite the dishonest claim not to) female language for yourself because you demand to be treated as female. You make claims that this is not the case, but we have seen your demands in action and call bollocks to any denial you try to claim.

It’s like cross sex hormones and surgery have zero effect on male entitlement levels.

I'm fairly positive I've got a man's brain in a woman's body or is that just natural aptitude and personality. I was a tomboy growing up, perfectly happy with an engine to rebuild or some DIY that needs doing. Feminine skills are not natural to me.

But and this is a big but it makes no fucking difference to my sexed body which means I am a woman (not an overgrown caterpillar)

@DumbfoundedAndUnhappy A large number of women have politely explained why your 'reasonable' position doesn't actually work for women. I can't be arsed to be polite. I am a woman and I want my fucking stuff back!

It belongs to us and doesn't belong to you so stay the fuck away from it.

I hope that you live a long, happy and productive life but stop trying to steal stuff that doesn't belong to you.

I know right?

Funny that ...

Lol, who'd have guessed?

I do know I’m not making anyone uncomfortable. You may not be very observant but I am.

I’ve been out all day and it was entirely unremarkable and normal.