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Guardian: weaponised emotional blackmail from 14yo 'trans' athlete

452 replies

teawamutu · Yesterday 17:40

The Guardian's rearguard action on reality continues. Apparently the problem is not the parents and authorities who conspired to lie to this boy, coddle his delusions, disadvantage all girls around him in the service of his own wishful thinking etc etc etc: it's definitely the people who pointed it out:
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2026/jun/17/trans-athlete-no-one-should-face-vicious-attacks

I am prepared to feel a little sorry for the kid, who couldn't have been exposed like this if the useful idiots around him had done their fucking jobs. But the Grauniad can fuck off with the tired 'beee kiiiind' shit as a solution. Been there, binned the t-shirt. We want our shit back.

I’m a 14-year-old trans athlete. No one should face the vicious attacks I have faced | Lina Haaga

People understand gender differently, and I was taught to respect all ideas. But the vitriol I recently experienced was not a healthy debate

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2026/jun/17/trans-athlete-no-one-should-face-vicious-attacks

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TheKeatingFive · Yesterday 22:06

DumpyVictoria · Yesterday 22:00

Demigirl: Someone who partially identifies as a woman.

Demiboy: The masculine equivalent—someone who partially identifies as a man.

Demigender: The overarching umbrella term for any gender identity that has a partial connection to a specific gender.

Girlflux: A specific type of demigirl where the connection to femininity fluctuates or changes in intensity over time.

How anyone can spout this gibberish with a straight face ...

I'll never know

Pingponghavoc · Yesterday 22:06

DumpyVictoria · Yesterday 22:00

Demigirl: Someone who partially identifies as a woman.

Demiboy: The masculine equivalent—someone who partially identifies as a man.

Demigender: The overarching umbrella term for any gender identity that has a partial connection to a specific gender.

Girlflux: A specific type of demigirl where the connection to femininity fluctuates or changes in intensity over time.

Did a four year old come up with that, too?

spannasaurus · Yesterday 22:07

DumpyVictoria · Yesterday 21:58

Of course you can be a criminal and still be trans. But since this person has been convicted of rape, of course we wouldn't lock them up with female prisoners.

What if the transwoman was remanded to prison to await trial, so a suspected rapist but not a convicted one. Should they go to a male prison?

SabrinaThwaite · Yesterday 22:08

TheKeatingFive · Yesterday 22:06

How anyone can spout this gibberish with a straight face ...

I'll never know

I thought ‘girlflux’ might be something that women bought for their soldering irons.

LeungLover · Yesterday 22:10

SabrinaThwaite · Yesterday 22:08

I thought ‘girlflux’ might be something that women bought for their soldering irons.

I think you’re only allowed to operate a soldering iron if you’re identifying as a Demiboy at the time. It’s far too masculine otherwise.

Do these people hear themselves?

RufustheFactualReindeer · Yesterday 22:11

DumpyVictoria · Yesterday 20:11

Well, if the anaconda is really a gerbil, it wouldn't eat its gerbil friends, would it?

And since we've crossed into the realm of talking animals, the other gerbils and the anaconda would get to know each other as individuals, and the gerbils would realise that the anaconda is, in fact, a gerbil, and they would feel sorry for it because they themselves would hate to have the body of an anaconda when they are really a gerbil. And there would be much more love and understanding in the world than there is now.

What are you on and where can i get some?

TheKeatingFive · Yesterday 22:11

SabrinaThwaite · Yesterday 22:08

I thought ‘girlflux’ might be something that women bought for their soldering irons.

😭

MyrtleLion · Yesterday 22:12

DumpyVictoria · Yesterday 21:35

You're not forced to go along with believing that trans women are women. For example, everyone must now use the loo and changing room that accords with their assigned-at-sex birth. No one's forcing you to use particular pronouns either.

I literally filled in a government form TODAY that asked me whether my gender identity aligns with the sex I was assigned at birth.

Forced religion.

FlirtsWithRhinos · Yesterday 22:15

DumpyVictoria · Yesterday 21:48

As I've said many times already, if the anaconda is really a gerbil, of course it wouldn't eat gerbils.

Firstly, how do you find out which it is? Give it the benefit of the doubt, put it in with the gerbils and see what happens?

That's very kind and open-minded validating for the gerbilconda, but a bit shit for the actual gerbils, no? They have nothing to gain here and everything to lose.

Even if gerbilconda isn't going to eat them, from the pov of the gerbils all they know is it hasn't eaten them yet. They are never going to fully relax again.

So really, whichever way it goes it's all a bit shitter for the gerbils than pre-anaconda.

Whereas for gerbilconda it's quite the opposite - if they are genuine they get the lovely validation of being with their gerbil peers. And if they are not genuine... well.

So really however it goes, and however genuine gerbilconda may ne, the gerbils are still getting a pretty clear message here about the relative value of gerbil interests and anaconda interests aren't they?

And finally...

Do you believe an anaconda could really be a gerbil on the inside? Not just for the purpose of this analogy, but as something that could actually happen? Maybe due to a surge of gerbilesque hormones mimicking gerbil development?

Or do you think that's ridiculous? Impossible? Laughable?

Yet you happily believe it's possible when it comes to humans being "really" the opposite sex on the inside. Hmm.

MyrtleLion · Yesterday 22:17

Iamnotalemming · Yesterday 21:53

Gosh this thread has taken a turn I didn't see coming. Is Beetle around? I'd love to see an anaconda on a gerbil wheel.

Also, what's a demigirl??

I found one.

Definitely a gerbil.

Guardian: weaponised emotional blackmail from 14yo 'trans' athlete
SabrinaThwaite · Yesterday 22:17

LeungLover · Yesterday 22:10

I think you’re only allowed to operate a soldering iron if you’re identifying as a Demiboy at the time. It’s far too masculine otherwise.

Do these people hear themselves?

I think I might be way past Demiboy and trending towards full on bloke.

If only I’d ignored my inner engineer and just stayed on the fainting couch being all womanly.

Menier · Yesterday 22:19

Gerbilconda
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

Iamnotalemming · Yesterday 22:19

If a woman partially identifies as a woman (demigirling?) what about the rest of her?

Why can I hear Alan Bennett in my head saying "Margaret says she's a demigirl. But she has been drinking the demijohns this afternoon so who knows how she'll identify by the morning".

Iamnotalemming · Yesterday 22:20

Loving your work @MyrtleLion 😂

TheKeatingFive · Yesterday 22:21

FlirtsWithRhinos · Yesterday 22:15

Firstly, how do you find out which it is? Give it the benefit of the doubt, put it in with the gerbils and see what happens?

That's very kind and open-minded validating for the gerbilconda, but a bit shit for the actual gerbils, no? They have nothing to gain here and everything to lose.

Even if gerbilconda isn't going to eat them, from the pov of the gerbils all they know is it hasn't eaten them yet. They are never going to fully relax again.

So really, whichever way it goes it's all a bit shitter for the gerbils than pre-anaconda.

Whereas for gerbilconda it's quite the opposite - if they are genuine they get the lovely validation of being with their gerbil peers. And if they are not genuine... well.

So really however it goes, and however genuine gerbilconda may ne, the gerbils are still getting a pretty clear message here about the relative value of gerbil interests and anaconda interests aren't they?

And finally...

Do you believe an anaconda could really be a gerbil on the inside? Not just for the purpose of this analogy, but as something that could actually happen? Maybe due to a surge of gerbilesque hormones mimicking gerbil development?

Or do you think that's ridiculous? Impossible? Laughable?

Yet you happily believe it's possible when it comes to humans being "really" the opposite sex on the inside. Hmm.

Who cares about the Gerbils? The Gerbils are bigots and deserve everything they get.

MyrtleLion · Yesterday 22:24

MyrtleLion · Yesterday 22:17

I found one.

Definitely a gerbil.

I asked AI what would happen if a gerbil-identified anaconda was allowed to mix with actual gerbils.

It said:

The anaconda can identify as a gerbil, wear a tiny tracksuit, run on a wheel, and insist on being called “Ms Squeaky”—but it’s still an anaconda. The gerbils would discover this at approximately the moment they started disappearing.

The scorpion-and-frog analogy works rather well. In the fable, the scorpion says it won’t sting because doing so would doom them both, yet stings anyway because it’s in its nature. Likewise, the anaconda may sincerely believe it’s a gerbil, but its biology hasn’t received the memo.

The amusing twist is that the snake might not be acting maliciously at all:

“What happened to Giselle?”

“I don’t know. One minute we were discussing seed mixes, the next I felt peckish.”

The deeper point of the fable is that self-conception and underlying nature aren’t always the same thing. Whether that’s true in any particular human context is a separate philosophical debate, but for an actual anaconda in a gerbil enclosure, the gerbils would be wise to focus on observable characteristics rather than self-description.

As the surviving gerbils might put it:

“We support Gerbil Anaconda’s right to identify however it wishes. We are, however, concerned about the swallowing.” 🐍🐹

BridgetPhillipsonIsACowardlyJobsworth · Yesterday 22:28

DumpyVictoria · Yesterday 21:36

Since they are criminals who are convicted of rape, they've forfeited their right to be believed that they are who they say they are.

But if people are the sex they say they are, and that is 100% reality, how can you "forfeit" reality just because you've committed a crime? Either it is or it isn't reality. Reality cannot be changed just because someone thinks it should.

So, which is it? Has this person actually changed sex until they commit a crime, after which they miraculously revert back to being their original sex? Or is the reality that they never changed sex in the first place?

I'd really like to read your considered answer to this, because it could clear up a lot of ambiguity, thanks.

BiologicalRobot · Yesterday 22:29

What the hell.. what on earth have I stumbled upon??

In the unlikely event that an anaconda told me that it was really a gerbil inside but had the wrong body, I would believe the anaconda. I would get the anaconda an appropriately-sized gerbil wheel and some gerbil friends. That would be the kind and humane way to treat a trans-gerbil, whether you believe the anaconda or not.
Transgerbils?? That's a new one 😂😂

In the meantime Dumpy I am the Queen of Sheba. Where's my Sovereign grant? I need to feed my cis gerbils 🐭

gigabiccy · Yesterday 22:35

"But if people are the sex they say they are, and that is 100% reality, how can you "forfeit" reality just
because you've committed a crime?"

Dumpy has decreed them to be the wrong kind of trans.

MyrtleLion · Yesterday 22:36

BiologicalRobot · Yesterday 22:29

What the hell.. what on earth have I stumbled upon??

In the unlikely event that an anaconda told me that it was really a gerbil inside but had the wrong body, I would believe the anaconda. I would get the anaconda an appropriately-sized gerbil wheel and some gerbil friends. That would be the kind and humane way to treat a trans-gerbil, whether you believe the anaconda or not.
Transgerbils?? That's a new one 😂😂

In the meantime Dumpy I am the Queen of Sheba. Where's my Sovereign grant? I need to feed my cis gerbils 🐭

Transgerbils?? That's a new one 😂😂

I know! But we know nothing about the internal world of gerbils, except when it’s displayed on the Bluestocking threads and where I collate them on my Substack (https://myrtlelion.substack.com/). Currently they’re very excited about the Gerbil World Cup where they identify as elite sports gerbils.

Maybe they do feel like male gerbils, or anacondas? Or maybe anacondas identify as gerbils? We literally have no idea. And ascribing a sex to them based on their genitalia and which versions carry gerbil young is disgusting, sex-based bigotry.

Heggettypeg · Yesterday 22:36

DumpyVictoria · Yesterday 21:52

I didn't mean anything about intersex, but you have a point. I meant that feeling as if you are the opposite sex to your body can also have a biological basis. Sorry to spoil your bingo card.

I think it's very sexist to be defined only by your genitals.

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Your reproductive system defines sex. That's not sexism, it's just physical fact. It has certain practical implications and "identifying as" something different doesn't change this, so there's no point in pretending about it. You have one sort or the other.

The rest is personality, which is as variable as human beings. Trying to shoehorn that into a system of "genders" is unnecessarily rigid thinking and arguably very sexist because it relies on matching people to stereotypes of masculinity and femininity and defining them by how they measure up. That's still true even if the person is defining themselves.

OttersOnAPlane · Yesterday 22:37

MyAmpleSheep · Yesterday 21:55

Waitwhat? How else do you get one?

Maybe the special people can grow one, like David Lammy and a cervix.

Or maybe there's a tombola of some kind - at this point, it's about as logical as the other gender guff.

@DumpyVictoria , someone's internal sense of gender is as relevant to the rest of society as their taste in music, their favourite colour, their Myer-Briggs result, how they scored on Are You A Good Friend in a Cosmopolitan quiz and their biorhythms chart.

They can have this belief, they can structure a persona around it, but it means absolutely nothing in the wider world.

Best wishes,
A Taurean Year of the Monkey emo blue lover

DumpyVictoria · Yesterday 22:37

TheKeatingFive · Yesterday 22:21

Who cares about the Gerbils? The Gerbils are bigots and deserve everything they get.

Ohhhh, no, the gerbils aren't bigots. They just don't believe the gerbilcondas, since some previous gerbilcondas have turned out to be plain old anacondas. And because gerbilcondas do look very much like anacondas, despite their attempts to dial back the snakiness.

StressedANmum · Yesterday 22:46

MyrtleLion · Yesterday 21:38

😂😂😂😂😂

Well then trans women is the phrase we use to describe men who are pretending to be women. Not a thing, but it’s in the dictionary.

BTW as someone who worked on the Oxford English Dictionary, are you aware that it’s a usage dictionary? Yes it has definitions, but it is really a record of when words entered the language and how they have changed over time. It’s really a historical record rather than a definitive book on what words mean for ever and ever and ever.

Say something often enough and it will end up in the OED,

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Ooh, waves to a fellow lexicographer! (Although I worked for Collins)

MyrtleLion · Yesterday 22:49

StressedANmum · Yesterday 22:46

Ooh, waves to a fellow lexicographer! (Although I worked for Collins)

Whats Up Hello GIF by Teardrop

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