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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Guardian: weaponised emotional blackmail from 14yo 'trans' athlete

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teawamutu · Yesterday 17:40

The Guardian's rearguard action on reality continues. Apparently the problem is not the parents and authorities who conspired to lie to this boy, coddle his delusions, disadvantage all girls around him in the service of his own wishful thinking etc etc etc: it's definitely the people who pointed it out:
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2026/jun/17/trans-athlete-no-one-should-face-vicious-attacks

I am prepared to feel a little sorry for the kid, who couldn't have been exposed like this if the useful idiots around him had done their fucking jobs. But the Grauniad can fuck off with the tired 'beee kiiiind' shit as a solution. Been there, binned the t-shirt. We want our shit back.

I’m a 14-year-old trans athlete. No one should face the vicious attacks I have faced | Lina Haaga

People understand gender differently, and I was taught to respect all ideas. But the vitriol I recently experienced was not a healthy debate

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2026/jun/17/trans-athlete-no-one-should-face-vicious-attacks

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DumpyVictoria · Yesterday 21:48

ReflectingPool · Yesterday 21:47

I would believe the anaconda. I would get the anaconda an appropriately-sized gerbil wheel and some gerbil friends

You do realise the Anaconda would kill and eat the gerbils?

Similar situation, really.

Edited to say I should have read the entire thread.

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As I've said many times already, if the anaconda is really a gerbil, of course it wouldn't eat gerbils.

FrippEnos · Yesterday 21:48

DumpyVictoria · Yesterday 21:33

Cis women are cis women because the dictionary says so. And as I said before, cis is really only used in the context of discussing gender identity issues. No need to use it in contexts outside that.

There is no point in using "cis" as women are not subsets of women,
By using "cis" you are forcing people to follow your belief in gender identity.

And once again in a slightly different way, you are offended that posters won't use your and this boy's chosen labels, Yet you force your choice of labels on others.

You are a hypocrite.

teawamutu · Yesterday 21:50

DumpyVictoria · Yesterday 21:44

Not OK. And he's not a biological male. Having a penis doesn't necessarily mean you are a biological male.

<ticks 'but intersex' off the tra bingo card>

DSDs are: vanishingly rare; still only affect males or females, ie every human ever born.

Assuming, as we safely can, that this young man is a completely normal biological male, you think he shouldn't be supervising girls in the shower even if he claims to have ladyfeeelz in his head?

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DumpyVictoria · Yesterday 21:50

I have to go. Two last things:

One - an anaconda who genuinely thinks it's a gerbil would not eat other gerbils, unless they were a trans-gerbil cannibal. This is unlikely.

Two - the anaconda and the gerbil is NOT my analogy!

FlirtsWithRhinos · Yesterday 21:51

DumpyVictoria · Yesterday 21:41

To answer your question of minds, well, there's a massive range, isn't there? You get women who are not stereotypically female at all, women who are, and everything in between, and the reverse is also true for cismen.

I suppose that a transwoman must feel themselves to be very stereotypically feminine. I wouldn't know, not being one. The trans women who stand out tend to be the ones dressed in miniskirts and heels etc. but I'm sure there must be transwomen who don't want to wear that stuff. It's very hard for me to say, not being inside their minds.

So if a woman can have any type of mind and any type of body, and a man also can have any type of mind and any type of body,

  1. What is the actual difference between men and women?
  2. Why is this difference, whatever it may be, somehow of the greatest importance, while the very obvious fact of the physical differences between the sexes which have a huge impact in many aspects of our lives can be handwaved away so much that if soneone feels like the opposite sex we might as well decide they are the opposite sex?
DumpyVictoria · Yesterday 21:52

teawamutu · Yesterday 21:50

<ticks 'but intersex' off the tra bingo card>

DSDs are: vanishingly rare; still only affect males or females, ie every human ever born.

Assuming, as we safely can, that this young man is a completely normal biological male, you think he shouldn't be supervising girls in the shower even if he claims to have ladyfeeelz in his head?

I didn't mean anything about intersex, but you have a point. I meant that feeling as if you are the opposite sex to your body can also have a biological basis. Sorry to spoil your bingo card.

I think it's very sexist to be defined only by your genitals.

SabrinaThwaite · Yesterday 21:52

DumpyVictoria · Yesterday 21:44

Not OK. And he's not a biological male. Having a penis doesn't necessarily mean you are a biological male.

Sorry?

Which biological females have a penis?

Menier · Yesterday 21:52

DumpyVictoria · Yesterday 21:36

Since they are criminals who are convicted of rape, they've forfeited their right to be believed that they are who they say they are.

I'm afraid that's not how it works, you either believe it or you don't, there is no forfeiting. You can be a criminal and still be Trans.

You are so nearly there, what other human/male behaviours do you think trans women would have to exhibit for you not to believe them?

Iamnotalemming · Yesterday 21:53

Gosh this thread has taken a turn I didn't see coming. Is Beetle around? I'd love to see an anaconda on a gerbil wheel.

Also, what's a demigirl??

LeungLover · Yesterday 21:53

DumpyVictoria · Yesterday 21:50

I have to go. Two last things:

One - an anaconda who genuinely thinks it's a gerbil would not eat other gerbils, unless they were a trans-gerbil cannibal. This is unlikely.

Two - the anaconda and the gerbil is NOT my analogy!

So are you saying a man who genuinely thinks he’s a woman would never harm another woman? Because even women harm each other sometimes you know, and we have plenty of evidence of transwomen harming women and girls over the years.

Even if that was the case and they never would, we can’t know which ones really believe they’re women and which don’t before they harm someone, so we need to keep them all out.

LeungLover · Yesterday 21:54

Menier · Yesterday 21:52

I'm afraid that's not how it works, you either believe it or you don't, there is no forfeiting. You can be a criminal and still be Trans.

You are so nearly there, what other human/male behaviours do you think trans women would have to exhibit for you not to believe them?

It’s kind of like saying Myra Hindley wasn’t a real woman because if she was she wouldn’t have done what she did. Absolutely batshit.

LeungLover · Yesterday 21:55

SabrinaThwaite · Yesterday 21:52

Sorry?

Which biological females have a penis?

Possibly the poster means transmen who’ve had surgery, but of course they don’t actually have a penis either.

teawamutu · Yesterday 21:55

DumpyVictoria · Yesterday 21:52

I didn't mean anything about intersex, but you have a point. I meant that feeling as if you are the opposite sex to your body can also have a biological basis. Sorry to spoil your bingo card.

I think it's very sexist to be defined only by your genitals.

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What biological basis? Link the studies that prove it.

And you haven't spoiled my bingo card at all. I'm in with a chance of winning the air fryer and a weekend in Morecambe.

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MyAmpleSheep · Yesterday 21:55

DumpyVictoria · Yesterday 21:44

Not OK. And he's not a biological male. Having a penis doesn't necessarily mean you are a biological male.

Waitwhat? How else do you get one?

DumpyVictoria · Yesterday 21:55

FrippEnos · Yesterday 21:48

There is no point in using "cis" as women are not subsets of women,
By using "cis" you are forcing people to follow your belief in gender identity.

And once again in a slightly different way, you are offended that posters won't use your and this boy's chosen labels, Yet you force your choice of labels on others.

You are a hypocrite.

I'm not forcing anything on anyone. I'm free to use whatever words I choose to. As are you. And I'm not offended. I just think that trans identities are real. You don't. They are just opinions, since none of us can know, if we are not a trans person ourselves.

LeungLover · Yesterday 21:57

DumpyVictoria · Yesterday 21:55

I'm not forcing anything on anyone. I'm free to use whatever words I choose to. As are you. And I'm not offended. I just think that trans identities are real. You don't. They are just opinions, since none of us can know, if we are not a trans person ourselves.

But we can know you can’t change sex. We can know that women aren’t just stereotypes, and we do know there is no strong evidence that male and female brains are significantly different, so what does that leave?

DumpyVictoria · Yesterday 21:58

Menier · Yesterday 21:52

I'm afraid that's not how it works, you either believe it or you don't, there is no forfeiting. You can be a criminal and still be Trans.

You are so nearly there, what other human/male behaviours do you think trans women would have to exhibit for you not to believe them?

Of course you can be a criminal and still be trans. But since this person has been convicted of rape, of course we wouldn't lock them up with female prisoners.

SabrinaThwaite · Yesterday 21:59

MyAmpleSheep · Yesterday 21:55

Waitwhat? How else do you get one?

Maybe they give them out in boxes of cornflakes?

LeungLover · Yesterday 21:59

DumpyVictoria · Yesterday 21:58

Of course you can be a criminal and still be trans. But since this person has been convicted of rape, of course we wouldn't lock them up with female prisoners.

But female prisoners who have sexually assaulted other women get put in women’s prisons. So, why, if you believe they are actually women, don’t you think they should be too?

DumpyVictoria · Yesterday 22:00

Iamnotalemming · Yesterday 21:53

Gosh this thread has taken a turn I didn't see coming. Is Beetle around? I'd love to see an anaconda on a gerbil wheel.

Also, what's a demigirl??

Demigirl: Someone who partially identifies as a woman.

Demiboy: The masculine equivalent—someone who partially identifies as a man.

Demigender: The overarching umbrella term for any gender identity that has a partial connection to a specific gender.

Girlflux: A specific type of demigirl where the connection to femininity fluctuates or changes in intensity over time.

Menier · Yesterday 22:02

DumpyVictoria · Yesterday 21:58

Of course you can be a criminal and still be trans. But since this person has been convicted of rape, of course we wouldn't lock them up with female prisoners.

This is bringing to my mind a picture of the two and ten pence waterfall style machines in amusement arcades. There is a ten pence precariously balanced out over the edge, supported only by other ten pences. You see coins go in time and again and you think surely it must drop now- but no!

TheKeatingFive · Yesterday 22:04

It shows what we're up against. A wealthy, privileged family transed their child when he was a preschooler. He's cheating against his own sister and they don't care. They're cheering him on.

These people are never backing down, are they? And they have money and influence coming out of their ears.

ReflectingPool · Yesterday 22:04

Don’t be silly. He is male. Most 4 year olds spend their time pretending to be dinosaurs. . . .

Thank goodness that's normal. I've been looking after a 2 year old dinosaur for a few days now and was beginning to get worried. Does some very convincing stomping.

LeungLover · Yesterday 22:05

ReflectingPool · Yesterday 22:04

Don’t be silly. He is male. Most 4 year olds spend their time pretending to be dinosaurs. . . .

Thank goodness that's normal. I've been looking after a 2 year old dinosaur for a few days now and was beginning to get worried. Does some very convincing stomping.

My nephew is a puppy!

FrippEnos · Yesterday 22:05

DumpyVictoria · Yesterday 21:55

I'm not forcing anything on anyone. I'm free to use whatever words I choose to. As are you. And I'm not offended. I just think that trans identities are real. You don't. They are just opinions, since none of us can know, if we are not a trans person ourselves.

Yes you are free to use whatever words you like, what makes you a hypocrite is that you believe that trans are trans because they say so, yet don't believe that women are women because they say so, if you did you wouldn't use "cis"