Guardian: weaponised emotional blackmail from 14yo 'trans' athlete

[teawamutu]

The Guardian's rearguard action on reality continues. Apparently the problem is not the parents and authorities who conspired to lie to this boy, coddle his delusions, disadvantage all girls around him in the service of his own wishful thinking etc etc etc: it's definitely the people who pointed it out:
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2026/jun/17/trans-athlete-no-one-should-face-vicious-attacks

I am prepared to feel a little sorry for the kid, who couldn't have been exposed like this if the useful idiots around him had done their fucking jobs. But the Grauniad can fuck off with the tired 'beee kiiiind' shit as a solution. Been there, binned the t-shirt. We want our shit back.

I obviously misunderstood what he was trying to say......I thought that's what he was saying....that "if you immerse yourself in alternative ideas you can change your brain over time"

Unlike trans people, there have been gay people all over the world, throughout history, in every culture, even the most homophobic ones. So clearly, it's not a learned behaviour.

We can observe 'gayness' it can be seen in the brain, in eye dilation and other aaah hem signs of arousal there is nothing that allows us to observe 'transness' despite the claims of lady brain or other sex hormonal spikes in utero nothing recordable has been found. Probably because the factors driving teenage girls are very different to those motivating middle aged men.

But how do any of those things lead to someone “being born in the wrong body”? You can’t be born in the wrong body because your body is the only one you were ever goi f to have.

Anyway, since there’s absolutely no evidence of any of that happening, it’s pointless speculating and we can’t make any decisions based on maybes.

Let's say you're right. Let's say transidentity has a biological origin of some kind.

Now what?

What would it change, in your eyes?

Sigh.

Some behaviours are learned.

Some are not.

Being gay is innate.
Being a Catholic is learned behaviour.

Nevertheless, people have been imprisoned and even killed for being Catholic as well as being gay.

So there is no reason to assume that just because being gay is innate, being trans is also innate. It might be more like being Catholic.

And since you brought it up...

The reality of being gay just means fancying the same sex. There's no gap between feeling the thing and being the thing.

For "trans" to be a real thing not just a feeling, it doesn't just mean the trans person feels what they feel, it means that the sex of every single human also has to be redefined as a state of mind rather tha body. Which is clearly not reasonable and doesn't accurately describe reality, for the very simple and obvious reason that we do actually have physical sexes, including the trans person. So whatever they think they are feeling, they are not in fact being the opposite sex.

Your opinion

But the Catholic Church would say otherwise....that it's not real and that you are simply choosing to be gay. Which of course is ridiculous...
The point I'm trying to make is that one could argue that you guys saying that being trans isn't real is similar to the Catholic Church saying that being gay is a choice.

You... you do know that learning does change your brain over time, right? That your thought patterns and the skills you use most often literally rewire your brain?

Yes of course I know this :)

Or we could say that you saying of course trans identies are real is like the Catholic Church arguing that of course the wine really turns to blood even if to all intents and purposes it appears to still be just, well, wine.

The only reason you think transition is real and transubstantiation is not is because you've been immersed in the Genderists' ideological framework not the Catholics'.

So why the shock at the idea that immersing yourself in a particular ideological framework would change how your mind works?

Okay. And? Two things being similar doesn't mean they are actually the same. For starters, the Catholic Church and GC women have very different aims: one has historically fought to oppress women while the others want to liberate them. This fundamental difference necessarily impacts their respective relationship to gay and trans people.

I read a post on x recently where someone was pointing out that the coaches and trainers of boys competing in girls sports benefit from the situation. They can put their successes in training these "winners" and "record breakers" on their CVs to make them look more impressive and get more prestigious jobs

But women aren't born liking pink and glitter! I didn't play with dolls or prams or crafts. I wanted - and got - a train set and a toy farmyard. I liked card and board games and books. I didn't like boy's stuff like football. In other words I had my own likes and dislikes, which were part of my personality. I didn't need to choose one or the other set of stereotypes.

I don't disagree at all with that....we only have to look at radicalised islamists to see the evidence.
....neither do I disagree that a rise in "trans" could possibly be due to this phenomenon (along with anorexia that I think you also mentioned) BUT I still feel that there are rare cases where someone is trans without any outside influence. It's my understanding that trans people have existed throughout human history and across all cultures

I don't get it, @EvieBB . What does it matter if some trans people are "really trans"? By which I mean: what would it change if that were proven to be true? What do you think should happen, or be different?

And that's fine. I like a mix of things also....prefer trousers over skirts but love makeup....I don't feel the need to choose one or the other set of stereotypes either. I'm not sure how that relates to my post though? I was simply answering the question posed by LeungLover.

Because some people were saying it doesn't exist when it does (in rare cases).
That's all I was trying to say....

1. Nobody knows whether it exists or not.
2. So what? It doesn't matter.

1. Please refer to my previous post(s)
2. It matters when people are discrediting those who are trans

Sure, but so have people who deeply believe that they themselves or that others speak to a god or gods, or do magic, or see the future or speak to the dead, believe in shamans and animal guides.... these beliefs also reoccur in different forms in cultures all over the world and throughout time. Is there any reason to believe "trans" people are a more a real phenomenon than these other types of yearning, wish fulfilling fantasy?

The Greeks said Athena was born fully formed from Zeus's forehead. Was that a gender bending myth reflecting the existence of trans people, or was it Patriachial wish fulfillment to claim the power of the female to give birth for men?

Transgender as it is currently defined is a recent thing.
The 'T' got added to LGB not so long ago - and without asking us LGBs first, I might add!
You wake up one morning and find that a whole other group of people that have little or nothing in common with you are now somehow stuck to you and they won't go away🙄

People like the mahu of Polynesia are men who live in a gender non-conforming way; which is not the same as claiming to actually be women.
'Third genders' are exactly that: not men claiming to be women or vice versa, but men and women operating outside gender stereotypes.
That's not the same as transgenderism, with slogans insisting that 'transwomen are women' and 'transmen are men'

The trans movement re-writes lesbian and gay history to invent a trans history - for instance the Stonewall Riots in New York in 1969, which were a key moment in the development of a lesbian and gay movement, have been 'co-opted' by claiming that the riots were instigated by trans people. Given that the term transgender didn't even exist in 1969, that's a bit of a push, but the Stonewall was a gay bar and the people who were there and resisted the police raid were lesbian women and gay men.

There's another infamous example, where a pro-trans slogan was photoshopped in 2023 onto a photo of the first lesbian and gay demonstration in Ireland which happened in the 1980s. Even more shocking was that the demonstration was in support of a gay man who was murdered in a homophobic attack. No respect, no shame, no historical accuracy.

Do you think that whoever discredits trans people would stop doing it if it were proven that being trans is biological?

We're going round in circles lol
I'm so tired this evening....so I need to leave it for now....however when I get time I do intend to have a read of some of the more lengthy posts sent to me as I do find other people's perspectives on this topic v interesting and would like to become more educate. I appreciate I'm still in the early stages of thinking "just be kind" and am not fully understanding of the wider issues.