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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Guardian: weaponised emotional blackmail from 14yo 'trans' athlete

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teawamutu · 17/06/2026 17:40

The Guardian's rearguard action on reality continues. Apparently the problem is not the parents and authorities who conspired to lie to this boy, coddle his delusions, disadvantage all girls around him in the service of his own wishful thinking etc etc etc: it's definitely the people who pointed it out:
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2026/jun/17/trans-athlete-no-one-should-face-vicious-attacks

I am prepared to feel a little sorry for the kid, who couldn't have been exposed like this if the useful idiots around him had done their fucking jobs. But the Grauniad can fuck off with the tired 'beee kiiiind' shit as a solution. Been there, binned the t-shirt. We want our shit back.

I’m a 14-year-old trans athlete. No one should face the vicious attacks I have faced | Lina Haaga

People understand gender differently, and I was taught to respect all ideas. But the vitriol I recently experienced was not a healthy debate

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2026/jun/17/trans-athlete-no-one-should-face-vicious-attacks

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murasaki · 18/06/2026 13:56

It's perfectly fine to call out this boy for cheating at sport, he is old enough to know exactly what he's doing and seemingly to relish in beating his sister.

His parents are responsible for a lot of it but he has to own his poor behaviour. He could just be dressing alternatively and living the quiet life so many TRAs say they want, but no, he wants colonisation. This may be due to his rich upbringing and sense of entitlement, but he still has responsibility.

loislovesstewie · 18/06/2026 13:57

TransParentlyAnnoyed · 18/06/2026 13:39

I didn't mention Christianity.

I was referring to the rage and hate speech directed at a child. It is completely unacceptable - and actually, it's not Christian. Certainly most Christians I know would not speak about a child that way.

Hate speech needs calling out. It's the precursor to, and enabler of, real-world violence.

There is no such thing as 'transgender ideology' btw. Trans people are individuals.

The girl in the article explained she knew who she was before she was even five years old - which is pretty common for trans kids, although most struggle to articulate until they're older. Anyone who genuinely believes someone else did that to her needs serious help.

It's not hate speech to correctly sex a person. And telling lies is wrong in any religion, and atheists also think it's wrong.

RedToothBrush · 18/06/2026 14:02

murasaki · 18/06/2026 13:56

It's perfectly fine to call out this boy for cheating at sport, he is old enough to know exactly what he's doing and seemingly to relish in beating his sister.

His parents are responsible for a lot of it but he has to own his poor behaviour. He could just be dressing alternatively and living the quiet life so many TRAs say they want, but no, he wants colonisation. This may be due to his rich upbringing and sense of entitlement, but he still has responsibility.

Yep and when this responsibility does kick in because of his age, it's not for us to protect him from it.

It is the failure of his parents to prepare him for this point which was an inevitably.

We can't excuse his behaviour because of his upbringing.

Having shitty parents is ultimately not a legal or moral defence for your own behaviour.

GreyskySexRealistsky · 18/06/2026 14:02

This boy took the place of a girl AND all the other girls then had to move down a place to accommodate the boy.

The family might think it's lovely for the siblings, but it doesn't just affect those two does it?

murasaki · 18/06/2026 14:04

He'd be over the age of criminal responsibility here, and some people of his age are tried as adults in the States, so I think he does need to accept responsibility at his current age. He's not 4 anymore.

EvieBB · 18/06/2026 14:11

FlirtsWithRhinos · 18/06/2026 12:50

You would destroy women and girls' legal, social and political rights and deligitimise the female voice - the rights and voice half of humanity - because of sonething that might "possibly" be true, and which even if it is true only changes how someone perceives their sex, not what their sex actually is?

Not good enough. Not good enough at all.

No I didn't say that. I think you have misunderstood me

GriseldaandMike · 18/06/2026 14:12

GreyskySexRealistsky · 18/06/2026 14:02

This boy took the place of a girl AND all the other girls then had to move down a place to accommodate the boy.

The family might think it's lovely for the siblings, but it doesn't just affect those two does it?

Even in years to come an unknown girl could be denied a school/ championship/age record because of a time set by a male, with male advantage.

Male advantage is real, its not a possibility or a matter for debate it is a cold hard fact evidenced by every single male world and Olympic record being faster than the equivalent female record. If there wasn't an advantage in being male why doesn't a single record by a woman outstrip that of men? From 60m to marathons from running, to swimming, to cycling? Male bodies are different to female bodies they aren't interchangeable but with different genitals. There are 100s of differences between a man and a women.

MyrtleLion · 18/06/2026 14:18

When I was little, about three years old, I kept asking my mum if I was a good girl. Constantly. And she couldn’t understand why. She reassured me that I was a good girl and asked why I thought I wasn’t.

And apparently I said (because I don’t remember), that I didn’t think I was a good girl because I didn’t have a penis like my three brothers. One was older, so maybe I assumed I would grow a penis if I was a good girl or got older, and two were younger. So maybe I thought they were good children and that’s why they had penises.

Apparently it took seeing my female cousin having her nappy changed for me to understand that I was a girl, and she was a girl and we had the same genitalia because we are female.

Now imagine if I didn’t have that experience of seeing my cousin. Or if my cousin was a boy. In today’s society, perhaps my parents might have decided I was a boy because I wanted to be one so much. They might have raised me like that and put me on drugs to stop puberty and then put me on testosterone when I was older.

I was just a little girl who didn’t understand that male and female bodies were different. I was just a child.

To have misled me about my sex when I was that young would have been child abuse. We have to be careful what we tell children because they are children and will believe us.

Thankfully my parents were able to say I was a girl and I was different and I was perfectly normal.

PocketSand · 18/06/2026 14:24

How can you possibly have a felt social construct? What if feels like to be a woman (defined by biology) will depend on history, geography, class, race etc and personality. There is no universal feeling of being female that those born male can refer to that are not biological. There are universal experiences of sexism before puberty but the true universal experiences are biological beyond puberty. I prefer to wear trousers and no make up but know that I am a woman biologically because periods, childbirth, breastfeeding, menopause. If that doesn’t make me a woman what does? Delusional beliefs?

I did observational analysis for my undergrad degree at the Beaumont society group social. The participants to the research were ‘annoyed’ that I did not have to perform ‘femininity’ to pass. That was because I was an actual woman and passing was not a thing. Men pretending to be women had to perform to ‘pass’ and performed over-sexualised stereotypes. My thesis argued that male to female transgenderism was the last bastion of the concept of feminity that had been abandoned by biological women (this was the late 80s).

I wonder to what extent biological women have succumbed to the performance of feminity but then see the obvious masculinity of TRAs and men in female spaces.

MaidOfSteel · 18/06/2026 14:42

‘Seek out credible information. Hold your opinions to the highest standard of truth.‘

What the heck is going on in this boy’s head?! Patronising mansplaining aside.

TransParentlyAnnoyed · 18/06/2026 14:47

DrBlackbird · 18/06/2026 13:18

Trans kids find getting beaten up & sexually assaulted pretty tedious too. Shame about the adults who enable that.

@TransParentlyAnnoyed is, I believe, talking about her DD who identifies as a boy but has been sexually harassed or assaulted by boys in her school. Perhaps in spaces reserved for boys. This is abhorrent and our hearts should go out to that poor poor girl.

Where Transparent is mistaken is when she says shame about the adults, she means the women here (and some men). Instead of blaming those who are doing their darnest to protect young children and teens, one day, she may realise the adults who have ‘enabled’ that to happen are the many professionals who have embraced the gender ideology without a second thought about the negative implications for our children.

It is unfortunate that TPA has come to also believe in this horrific ideology claiming children can be born in the wrong body (what a terrible message), but surely there’s some leeway in understanding that educators, doctors, police, prisons, companies, social workers, politicians have all jumped on the trans bandwagon and perpetuate this message ad nauseum. So it’s no surprise that some parents do. It is a nightmare.

Except, none of that's true.

My son's my son, ignorance about trans people is no defence for disrespecting them, and honestly - go patronise someone else.

Conspiracy theory isn't real life. My son knew who he was at a very young age, told no one except a friend who kept it secret for ten years, and had no access to the Internet outside school until he was several years into secondary.

He had no access to trans people at all. He was raised by very gnc, feminist parents, wore his brother's clothes, was a champion ballerina and had no trans friends until college. He's attracted to men and isn't autistic.

His cousin, who he didn't know until after he came out, is also trans. He was raised in a totally different household I'm not going to detail - suffice to say, not trans-friendly.

I'm aware it suits many here to believe that trans people are made, not born. Accepting otherwise would cause you to question a life spent obsessing about, raging against and dehumanising them.

Your pity isn't necessary. Respect is what trans kids need - and safety.

GreyskySexRealistsky · 18/06/2026 14:47

MaidOfSteel · 18/06/2026 14:42

‘Seek out credible information. Hold your opinions to the highest standard of truth.‘

What the heck is going on in this boy’s head?! Patronising mansplaining aside.

I agree with him on that statement though. But just not in the way he means it!

LeungLover · 18/06/2026 14:49

TransParentlyAnnoyed · 18/06/2026 14:47

Except, none of that's true.

My son's my son, ignorance about trans people is no defence for disrespecting them, and honestly - go patronise someone else.

Conspiracy theory isn't real life. My son knew who he was at a very young age, told no one except a friend who kept it secret for ten years, and had no access to the Internet outside school until he was several years into secondary.

He had no access to trans people at all. He was raised by very gnc, feminist parents, wore his brother's clothes, was a champion ballerina and had no trans friends until college. He's attracted to men and isn't autistic.

His cousin, who he didn't know until after he came out, is also trans. He was raised in a totally different household I'm not going to detail - suffice to say, not trans-friendly.

I'm aware it suits many here to believe that trans people are made, not born. Accepting otherwise would cause you to question a life spent obsessing about, raging against and dehumanising them.

Your pity isn't necessary. Respect is what trans kids need - and safety.

Explain to us how anyone can be born trans then. How does that work?

Seethlaw · 18/06/2026 14:54

TransParentlyAnnoyed · 18/06/2026 14:47

Except, none of that's true.

My son's my son, ignorance about trans people is no defence for disrespecting them, and honestly - go patronise someone else.

Conspiracy theory isn't real life. My son knew who he was at a very young age, told no one except a friend who kept it secret for ten years, and had no access to the Internet outside school until he was several years into secondary.

He had no access to trans people at all. He was raised by very gnc, feminist parents, wore his brother's clothes, was a champion ballerina and had no trans friends until college. He's attracted to men and isn't autistic.

His cousin, who he didn't know until after he came out, is also trans. He was raised in a totally different household I'm not going to detail - suffice to say, not trans-friendly.

I'm aware it suits many here to believe that trans people are made, not born. Accepting otherwise would cause you to question a life spent obsessing about, raging against and dehumanising them.

Your pity isn't necessary. Respect is what trans kids need - and safety.

If your son was in the closet that long, then why didn't you encourage him to stay there, at least at school, until he was out of school? I mean, the bullying he suffered there was utterly predictable, so why did you let him transition at school? Surely you were not under the delusion that the kids would be nice to him, were you!?

EdithStourton · 18/06/2026 14:54

TransParentlyAnnoyed · 18/06/2026 13:39

I didn't mention Christianity.

I was referring to the rage and hate speech directed at a child. It is completely unacceptable - and actually, it's not Christian. Certainly most Christians I know would not speak about a child that way.

Hate speech needs calling out. It's the precursor to, and enabler of, real-world violence.

There is no such thing as 'transgender ideology' btw. Trans people are individuals.

The girl in the article explained she knew who she was before she was even five years old - which is pretty common for trans kids, although most struggle to articulate until they're older. Anyone who genuinely believes someone else did that to her needs serious help.

Another poster did, though.

Disagreeing with something that has no clear factual basis (that a human can change sex) is not 'hate speech'. Objecting to one child taking a win from another child (because one child has a biological, sex-determined advantage) is not 'hate speech'.

I said nothing about the child. But I do object to the utter nonsense being sold to vulnerable children and young adults, and to the actual hate speech (burn them, kill them, dox them, sack them) aimed at women who point out the very real risks to women and girls when trans ideology (and it is an ideology) is enabled and espoused.

Saying it isn't an ideology because 'trans people are individuals' is like saying that socialism isn't an ideology because 'socialists are individuals'.

I was a complete tomboy. At about 11or 12 I wanted to be a boy. I climbed trees, I dismantled my bike, I got involved in rough games and hung out all summer with the local boys. I grew up into a heterosexual woman at ease with her body and her sex. I drerad to think what would happen to that me in the modern world, where saying, 'Hang on a second, how about some therapy... How about we wait a year or two' is shouted down with cries of, 'You must affirm! No converstion therapy!'

quantumbutterfly · 18/06/2026 14:55

CassOle · 18/06/2026 12:41

Maybe... is it Peter Pan or Stefonknee 'not growing up'?

Peter Pan had the excuse of actually being a child (& a fictional character) though there may be a dissertation out there somewhere about what he represents of j.m.Barrie's psyche. Stefonknee according to Google is a grown arse adult who's fathered 7 children and presents as some sort of Victorian doll. I don't really want to delve into that psyche but am concerned for the children involved.

EdithStourton · 18/06/2026 14:58

ReflectingPool · 18/06/2026 13:29

Oi oi. 'Designed' sounds dangerously creationist

Yeah. My bad (as they say. Ugh)
I can't match the literary skills here 🎓

It's okay.
You have a toddler melting your mind. If it's any help, one of my DC at that age had an imaginary friend who was a dinosaur, and if I didn't sit him up to table at mealtimes, she was massively indignant and liable to shout.

GriseldaandMike · 18/06/2026 14:59

Respect is what trans kids need - and safety.

What about girls? Why don't they deserve respect and safety? Why should they lose single sex spaces at the cost of their privacy, dignity and safety? Why when there is a conflict between the safety of girls and the safety of boys with female identities must the boys safety take precedence, even when they are physically less vulnerable than girls?

quantumbutterfly · 18/06/2026 15:00

MyrtleLion · 18/06/2026 12:41

For the record I checked whether anacondas do actually eat gerbils. Apparently they’re not a natural part of their diet because they’re quite small for large anacondas to hunt for, but given the opportunity they will eat gerbils. And apparently young anacondas in captivity are fed gerbils among other small rodents

So the gerbils are absolutely within their rights to ask for gerbil-identifying anacondas to be kept out of their single-gerbil spaces.

Can’t think of a human analogy though.🤔

Nope. Still not coming to mind. 😂

Edited

Anacondas are constrictors aren't they, and rather large. Best to avoid those special hugs so beloved of predatory types.

quantumbutterfly · 18/06/2026 15:07

ReflectingPool · 18/06/2026 13:24

Tyrannosaur or Sauropod? You may need to stock up on raw meat

Will chocolate buttons do? I think he'd kill for those at the mo.

If he's a tyrannosaur he may need help getting the chocolate buttons to his mouth. I shall Google 'tyrannosaurs eating chocolate buttons' to confirm my theory...the internet is always right.

FlirtsWithRhinos · 18/06/2026 15:09

TransParentlyAnnoyed · 18/06/2026 14:47

Except, none of that's true.

My son's my son, ignorance about trans people is no defence for disrespecting them, and honestly - go patronise someone else.

Conspiracy theory isn't real life. My son knew who he was at a very young age, told no one except a friend who kept it secret for ten years, and had no access to the Internet outside school until he was several years into secondary.

He had no access to trans people at all. He was raised by very gnc, feminist parents, wore his brother's clothes, was a champion ballerina and had no trans friends until college. He's attracted to men and isn't autistic.

His cousin, who he didn't know until after he came out, is also trans. He was raised in a totally different household I'm not going to detail - suffice to say, not trans-friendly.

I'm aware it suits many here to believe that trans people are made, not born. Accepting otherwise would cause you to question a life spent obsessing about, raging against and dehumanising them.

Your pity isn't necessary. Respect is what trans kids need - and safety.

They are still female children.

It is you applying the ideological framing that their belief that they are mentally male makes them actually male, because you believe that being male or female is a matter of mentality rather than physicality in a way you do not believe is possible for other material facts of life.

If your daughter had said for years she has felt she is really a swan, or really adopted, or really Chinese, you would not have accomodated those "identies" as being actually the same as a physical swan, or as not actually being your child, or as being genuinely Chinese. Because if you are not these things you do not just become them by believing you are.

It is you who treated your daughter's identifying as a boy as an actual possible thing. You may not have done it consciously but you accepted this sexist belief of a boys' mind in a female body as a thing that can be actually real.

FlirtsWithRhinos · 18/06/2026 15:11

GriseldaandMike · 18/06/2026 14:59

Respect is what trans kids need - and safety.

What about girls? Why don't they deserve respect and safety? Why should they lose single sex spaces at the cost of their privacy, dignity and safety? Why when there is a conflict between the safety of girls and the safety of boys with female identities must the boys safety take precedence, even when they are physically less vulnerable than girls?

That is the 1Bn dollar, or rather the 4Bn humans question, isn't it?

viques · 18/06/2026 15:25

TransParentlyAnnoyed · 18/06/2026 13:39

I didn't mention Christianity.

I was referring to the rage and hate speech directed at a child. It is completely unacceptable - and actually, it's not Christian. Certainly most Christians I know would not speak about a child that way.

Hate speech needs calling out. It's the precursor to, and enabler of, real-world violence.

There is no such thing as 'transgender ideology' btw. Trans people are individuals.

The girl in the article explained she knew who she was before she was even five years old - which is pretty common for trans kids, although most struggle to articulate until they're older. Anyone who genuinely believes someone else did that to her needs serious help.

With respect the child in the article is not a girl.

Never was. Never will be.

And the people who have really let him down are his parents, teachers, doctors, counsellors, sports coaches and any other adult he has been in contact with who have failed, in the last ten years that they have had the opportunity to do so, to explain this to him. Yes, he might wish he was a girl, he might even have feelings for other boys which he , and possibly his parents, rationalises as normal boy/ girl feelings, but he is not, and never will be a girl.

Just as your child will never be a boy, much as they would like to be. Which means for example that they might be confused when they start looking for relationship partners and find that the people they are attracted to are probably lesbians looking for relationships with other women, not with people who say they are men. Or , more confusingly, heterosexual women who are looking for relationships with physical men , not other women.

You will of course have cautioned your child about the health risks of taking hormonal treatment, particularly devastating for women, with vaginal atrophy and early osteoporosis almost certainly guaranteed.

To be perfectly frank, and I am sorry if you take this personally, but imo by acting as a protective and supportive parent to your young child ( the motivation of which I do understand ) you might , for the sake of guiding them through a confused adolescence, have actually condemned them to a lifetime of physical poor health if they go down the surgical/ hormonal route.

I am sorry your child has been bullied at school and that they have not been better supported, whatever the rights and wrongs of gender confusion among young people, bullying should not be one of the outcomes.

Grammarnut · 18/06/2026 15:32

DumpyVictoria · 17/06/2026 18:42

Poor girl. When will this hatred of transgirls subside? Hope she doesn't let it get to her too much.

He's a boy. The poor girls had their prizes and wins taken from them by a boy who has been gaslighted into thinking he is a girl.

Pingponghavoc · 18/06/2026 15:41

When the children's clinic opened in 1989, it saw 2 children, it increased over time to 25ish. Predominantly boys. It was extremely rare to see girls. There was an explosion in girls identifying as trans starting in 2013/14.

Even the clinician doesn't know if demand followed supply. None of the clinicians know why demand increased, especially for girls.

When did trans first get talked about at school, when did Stonewall introduce the T? When did the online cliques happen? I know my daughter was given a lesson about LGBT with lots of information about T in 2013 or 2014.

There was also crib sheets online- how to pass the trans test. Telling children what to say. Female youtubers have been recording their 'journey' for well over 10 years. Didnt youtube explode around 2013 too? There are trans books and TV shows for toddlers.

So im glad individual parents are convinced that their own children were aware independently of the concept of trans and that they knew they were trans at an early age. But forgive my scepticism.

Its been marketed at children for getting on for 15 years now. Anyone in their 20s and under will have been exposed to it in some way.

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