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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Guardian: weaponised emotional blackmail from 14yo 'trans' athlete

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teawamutu · Yesterday 17:40

The Guardian's rearguard action on reality continues. Apparently the problem is not the parents and authorities who conspired to lie to this boy, coddle his delusions, disadvantage all girls around him in the service of his own wishful thinking etc etc etc: it's definitely the people who pointed it out:
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2026/jun/17/trans-athlete-no-one-should-face-vicious-attacks

I am prepared to feel a little sorry for the kid, who couldn't have been exposed like this if the useful idiots around him had done their fucking jobs. But the Grauniad can fuck off with the tired 'beee kiiiind' shit as a solution. Been there, binned the t-shirt. We want our shit back.

I’m a 14-year-old trans athlete. No one should face the vicious attacks I have faced | Lina Haaga

People understand gender differently, and I was taught to respect all ideas. But the vitriol I recently experienced was not a healthy debate

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2026/jun/17/trans-athlete-no-one-should-face-vicious-attacks

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murasaki · Today 13:56

It's perfectly fine to call out this boy for cheating at sport, he is old enough to know exactly what he's doing and seemingly to relish in beating his sister.

His parents are responsible for a lot of it but he has to own his poor behaviour. He could just be dressing alternatively and living the quiet life so many TRAs say they want, but no, he wants colonisation. This may be due to his rich upbringing and sense of entitlement, but he still has responsibility.

loislovesstewie · Today 13:57

TransParentlyAnnoyed · Today 13:39

I didn't mention Christianity.

I was referring to the rage and hate speech directed at a child. It is completely unacceptable - and actually, it's not Christian. Certainly most Christians I know would not speak about a child that way.

Hate speech needs calling out. It's the precursor to, and enabler of, real-world violence.

There is no such thing as 'transgender ideology' btw. Trans people are individuals.

The girl in the article explained she knew who she was before she was even five years old - which is pretty common for trans kids, although most struggle to articulate until they're older. Anyone who genuinely believes someone else did that to her needs serious help.

It's not hate speech to correctly sex a person. And telling lies is wrong in any religion, and atheists also think it's wrong.

RedToothBrush · Today 14:02

murasaki · Today 13:56

It's perfectly fine to call out this boy for cheating at sport, he is old enough to know exactly what he's doing and seemingly to relish in beating his sister.

His parents are responsible for a lot of it but he has to own his poor behaviour. He could just be dressing alternatively and living the quiet life so many TRAs say they want, but no, he wants colonisation. This may be due to his rich upbringing and sense of entitlement, but he still has responsibility.

Yep and when this responsibility does kick in because of his age, it's not for us to protect him from it.

It is the failure of his parents to prepare him for this point which was an inevitably.

We can't excuse his behaviour because of his upbringing.

Having shitty parents is ultimately not a legal or moral defence for your own behaviour.

GreyskySexRealistsky · Today 14:02

This boy took the place of a girl AND all the other girls then had to move down a place to accommodate the boy.

The family might think it's lovely for the siblings, but it doesn't just affect those two does it?

murasaki · Today 14:04

He'd be over the age of criminal responsibility here, and some people of his age are tried as adults in the States, so I think he does need to accept responsibility at his current age. He's not 4 anymore.

EvieBB · Today 14:11

FlirtsWithRhinos · Today 12:50

You would destroy women and girls' legal, social and political rights and deligitimise the female voice - the rights and voice half of humanity - because of sonething that might "possibly" be true, and which even if it is true only changes how someone perceives their sex, not what their sex actually is?

Not good enough. Not good enough at all.

No I didn't say that. I think you have misunderstood me

GriseldaandMike · Today 14:12

GreyskySexRealistsky · Today 14:02

This boy took the place of a girl AND all the other girls then had to move down a place to accommodate the boy.

The family might think it's lovely for the siblings, but it doesn't just affect those two does it?

Even in years to come an unknown girl could be denied a school/ championship/age record because of a time set by a male, with male advantage.

Male advantage is real, its not a possibility or a matter for debate it is a cold hard fact evidenced by every single male world and Olympic record being faster than the equivalent female record. If there wasn't an advantage in being male why doesn't a single record by a woman outstrip that of men? From 60m to marathons from running, to swimming, to cycling? Male bodies are different to female bodies they aren't interchangeable but with different genitals. There are 100s of differences between a man and a women.

MyrtleLion · Today 14:18

When I was little, about three years old, I kept asking my mum if I was a good girl. Constantly. And she couldn’t understand why. She reassured me that I was a good girl and asked why I thought I wasn’t.

And apparently I said (because I don’t remember), that I didn’t think I was a good girl because I didn’t have a penis like my three brothers. One was older, so maybe I assumed I would grow a penis if I was a good girl or got older, and two were younger. So maybe I thought they were good children and that’s why they had penises.

Apparently it took seeing my female cousin having her nappy changed for me to understand that I was a girl, and she was a girl and we had the same genitalia because we are female.

Now imagine if I didn’t have that experience of seeing my cousin. Or if my cousin was a boy. In today’s society, perhaps my parents might have decided I was a boy because I wanted to be one so much. They might have raised me like that and put me on drugs to stop puberty and then put me on testosterone when I was older.

I was just a little girl who didn’t understand that male and female bodies were different. I was just a child.

To have misled me about my sex when I was that young would have been child abuse. We have to be careful what we tell children because they are children and will believe us.

Thankfully my parents were able to say I was a girl and I was different and I was perfectly normal.

PocketSand · Today 14:24

How can you possibly have a felt social construct? What if feels like to be a woman (defined by biology) will depend on history, geography, class, race etc and personality. There is no universal feeling of being female that those born male can refer to that are not biological. There are universal experiences of sexism before puberty but the true universal experiences are biological beyond puberty. I prefer to wear trousers and no make up but know that I am a woman biologically because periods, childbirth, breastfeeding, menopause. If that doesn’t make me a woman what does? Delusional beliefs?

I did observational analysis for my undergrad degree at the Beaumont society group social. The participants to the research were ‘annoyed’ that I did not have to perform ‘femininity’ to pass. That was because I was an actual woman and passing was not a thing. Men pretending to be women had to perform to ‘pass’ and performed over-sexualised stereotypes. My thesis argued that male to female transgenderism was the last bastion of the concept of feminity that had been abandoned by biological women (this was the late 80s).

I wonder to what extent biological women have succumbed to the performance of feminity but then see the obvious masculinity of TRAs and men in female spaces.

MaidOfSteel · Today 14:42

‘Seek out credible information. Hold your opinions to the highest standard of truth.‘

What the heck is going on in this boy’s head?! Patronising mansplaining aside.

TransParentlyAnnoyed · Today 14:47

DrBlackbird · Today 13:18

Trans kids find getting beaten up & sexually assaulted pretty tedious too. Shame about the adults who enable that.

@TransParentlyAnnoyed is, I believe, talking about her DD who identifies as a boy but has been sexually harassed or assaulted by boys in her school. Perhaps in spaces reserved for boys. This is abhorrent and our hearts should go out to that poor poor girl.

Where Transparent is mistaken is when she says shame about the adults, she means the women here (and some men). Instead of blaming those who are doing their darnest to protect young children and teens, one day, she may realise the adults who have ‘enabled’ that to happen are the many professionals who have embraced the gender ideology without a second thought about the negative implications for our children.

It is unfortunate that TPA has come to also believe in this horrific ideology claiming children can be born in the wrong body (what a terrible message), but surely there’s some leeway in understanding that educators, doctors, police, prisons, companies, social workers, politicians have all jumped on the trans bandwagon and perpetuate this message ad nauseum. So it’s no surprise that some parents do. It is a nightmare.

Except, none of that's true.

My son's my son, ignorance about trans people is no defence for disrespecting them, and honestly - go patronise someone else.

Conspiracy theory isn't real life. My son knew who he was at a very young age, told no one except a friend who kept it secret for ten years, and had no access to the Internet outside school until he was several years into secondary.

He had no access to trans people at all. He was raised by very gnc, feminist parents, wore his brother's clothes, was a champion ballerina and had no trans friends until college. He's attracted to men and isn't autistic.

His cousin, who he didn't know until after he came out, is also trans. He was raised in a totally different household I'm not going to detail - suffice to say, not trans-friendly.

I'm aware it suits many here to believe that trans people are made, not born. Accepting otherwise would cause you to question a life spent obsessing about, raging against and dehumanising them.

Your pity isn't necessary. Respect is what trans kids need - and safety.

GreyskySexRealistsky · Today 14:47

MaidOfSteel · Today 14:42

‘Seek out credible information. Hold your opinions to the highest standard of truth.‘

What the heck is going on in this boy’s head?! Patronising mansplaining aside.

I agree with him on that statement though. But just not in the way he means it!

LeungLover · Today 14:49

TransParentlyAnnoyed · Today 14:47

Except, none of that's true.

My son's my son, ignorance about trans people is no defence for disrespecting them, and honestly - go patronise someone else.

Conspiracy theory isn't real life. My son knew who he was at a very young age, told no one except a friend who kept it secret for ten years, and had no access to the Internet outside school until he was several years into secondary.

He had no access to trans people at all. He was raised by very gnc, feminist parents, wore his brother's clothes, was a champion ballerina and had no trans friends until college. He's attracted to men and isn't autistic.

His cousin, who he didn't know until after he came out, is also trans. He was raised in a totally different household I'm not going to detail - suffice to say, not trans-friendly.

I'm aware it suits many here to believe that trans people are made, not born. Accepting otherwise would cause you to question a life spent obsessing about, raging against and dehumanising them.

Your pity isn't necessary. Respect is what trans kids need - and safety.

Explain to us how anyone can be born trans then. How does that work?

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