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Guardian: weaponised emotional blackmail from 14yo 'trans' athlete

579 replies

teawamutu · 17/06/2026 17:40

The Guardian's rearguard action on reality continues. Apparently the problem is not the parents and authorities who conspired to lie to this boy, coddle his delusions, disadvantage all girls around him in the service of his own wishful thinking etc etc etc: it's definitely the people who pointed it out:
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2026/jun/17/trans-athlete-no-one-should-face-vicious-attacks

I am prepared to feel a little sorry for the kid, who couldn't have been exposed like this if the useful idiots around him had done their fucking jobs. But the Grauniad can fuck off with the tired 'beee kiiiind' shit as a solution. Been there, binned the t-shirt. We want our shit back.

I’m a 14-year-old trans athlete. No one should face the vicious attacks I have faced | Lina Haaga

People understand gender differently, and I was taught to respect all ideas. But the vitriol I recently experienced was not a healthy debate

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2026/jun/17/trans-athlete-no-one-should-face-vicious-attacks

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Seethlaw · 18/06/2026 15:46

Its been marketed at children for getting on for 15 years now. Anyone in their 20s and under will have been exposed to it in some way.

Yeah. All the kiddos on Tumblr know all about T, and an astronomical number of them identify as some kind of T or Q.

GriseldaandMike · 18/06/2026 15:49

Grammarnut · 18/06/2026 15:32

He's a boy. The poor girls had their prizes and wins taken from them by a boy who has been gaslighted into thinking he is a girl.

And now he is at an age/ stage where his sex is increasingly observable to people who come into casual contact with him and his male physical advantage is greater so he is going to start getting push back. Some people will tolerate boys in girls spaces pre puberty but start to get uncomfortable with their daughters sharing private spaces with boys once those same children reach puberty. Other will be reluctant to call out a 12 year old who is probably male but they aren't 100% certain but will feel for more confident challenging the same boy a few years later when they have no doubt that he is definitely male.
If his parents want to celebrate their younger child beating their older child in running races they should not drag other girls in to the whole sorry mess.

TheKeatingFive · 18/06/2026 15:50

I come from a generation that fought for sports for girls. Fought for them to have their own opportunities, their own clubs, their own leagues, their own chance of success.

Yet here are people fighting to have that taken away from girls. I find this mindblowing (and deeply depressing).

These are people who think they are progressive, yet they are actively arguing for these positive developments to be taken away from girls.

Can someone please explain why they are doing this?

Arran2024 · 18/06/2026 15:59

TransParentlyAnnoyed · 18/06/2026 14:47

Except, none of that's true.

My son's my son, ignorance about trans people is no defence for disrespecting them, and honestly - go patronise someone else.

Conspiracy theory isn't real life. My son knew who he was at a very young age, told no one except a friend who kept it secret for ten years, and had no access to the Internet outside school until he was several years into secondary.

He had no access to trans people at all. He was raised by very gnc, feminist parents, wore his brother's clothes, was a champion ballerina and had no trans friends until college. He's attracted to men and isn't autistic.

His cousin, who he didn't know until after he came out, is also trans. He was raised in a totally different household I'm not going to detail - suffice to say, not trans-friendly.

I'm aware it suits many here to believe that trans people are made, not born. Accepting otherwise would cause you to question a life spent obsessing about, raging against and dehumanising them.

Your pity isn't necessary. Respect is what trans kids need - and safety.

50 years ago there would not have been the language or framework to support a belief like this. So what has changed? Simply the social landscape.

Your child says x, you support it. That doesn't mean it is real. It is purely a zeitgeist condition which has found a receptive audience in you and your child.

Pingponghavoc · 18/06/2026 15:59

If 4 and 5 year old 'know' but can't articulate it, how come they could only start to express it after the promotion of trans.

All of the now 90 year olds who 'knew' at 4, still can't find the right words?

If it was just non binary, and giving themselves new names and clothes, Id be all for it. Its kids experimenting finding out who they are. Id think it odd that its not attached to music or art, but thats just me.

But its drugs and surgery and dodgy adult (although they hang around in every youth movement). Anything involving children shouldnt involve life changing decisions or set them on the path to these decisions.

GriseldaandMike · 18/06/2026 16:04

TheKeatingFive · 18/06/2026 15:50

I come from a generation that fought for sports for girls. Fought for them to have their own opportunities, their own clubs, their own leagues, their own chance of success.

Yet here are people fighting to have that taken away from girls. I find this mindblowing (and deeply depressing).

These are people who think they are progressive, yet they are actively arguing for these positive developments to be taken away from girls.

Can someone please explain why they are doing this?

Nobody ever answers this. No one ever explains why women who had reduced Olympic athletics programmes until the 21st should give up the prospect of winning those hard fought for events that female pole vaulters and hammer throwers have only competed for 7 times and female steeple chasers have only run for 5 times. The Male and Female athletic programmes are now described as equal but the hepthlon rather than decathlon means there is still a difference. Complete parity doesn't even exist and some people want the opportunities that women had to battle to gain handed back to men.

MyrtleLion · 18/06/2026 16:11

Pingponghavoc · 18/06/2026 15:41

When the children's clinic opened in 1989, it saw 2 children, it increased over time to 25ish. Predominantly boys. It was extremely rare to see girls. There was an explosion in girls identifying as trans starting in 2013/14.

Even the clinician doesn't know if demand followed supply. None of the clinicians know why demand increased, especially for girls.

When did trans first get talked about at school, when did Stonewall introduce the T? When did the online cliques happen? I know my daughter was given a lesson about LGBT with lots of information about T in 2013 or 2014.

There was also crib sheets online- how to pass the trans test. Telling children what to say. Female youtubers have been recording their 'journey' for well over 10 years. Didnt youtube explode around 2013 too? There are trans books and TV shows for toddlers.

So im glad individual parents are convinced that their own children were aware independently of the concept of trans and that they knew they were trans at an early age. But forgive my scepticism.

Its been marketed at children for getting on for 15 years now. Anyone in their 20s and under will have been exposed to it in some way.

Stonewall undertook a consultation on adding Trans in 2014 and included the T in 2015.

https://www.stonewall.org.uk/resources/lgbtq-hubs/trans-hub/stonewalls-journey-to-trans-inclusion

An arrow and text reading 'Stonewall'

Stonewall’s journey to trans inclusion

Stonewall is part of a vibrant, growing and global movement advocating for LGBTQ+ rights. Over the last 35+ years, we have helped create transformative…

https://www.stonewall.org.uk/resources/lgbtq-hubs/trans-hub/stonewalls-journey-to-trans-inclusion

TheKeatingFive · 18/06/2026 16:26

GriseldaandMike · 18/06/2026 16:04

Nobody ever answers this. No one ever explains why women who had reduced Olympic athletics programmes until the 21st should give up the prospect of winning those hard fought for events that female pole vaulters and hammer throwers have only competed for 7 times and female steeple chasers have only run for 5 times. The Male and Female athletic programmes are now described as equal but the hepthlon rather than decathlon means there is still a difference. Complete parity doesn't even exist and some people want the opportunities that women had to battle to gain handed back to men.

It's just extraordinary to me.

Do people realise what they're doing and just not care?

Or is the misogyny so deeply ingrained within them that they can't even acknowledge that they are handing these hard fought opportunities to men?

MarieDeGournay · 18/06/2026 16:41

Pingponghavoc
When the children's clinic opened in 1989, it saw 2 children, it increased over time to 25ish. Predominantly boys. It was extremely rare to see girls. There was an explosion in girls identifying as trans starting in 2013/14.
Even the clinician doesn't know if demand followed supply. None of the clinicians know why demand increased, especially for girls.

There are some good suggested reasons here:
'...a trend since 2011 in which the number of natal females is higher than the number of natal males being referred. Prior to that the split in the caseload was roughly even between natal girls and natal boys, but by 2019 the split had changed so that 76% per cent of referrals were natal females.

...girls who, as recent statistics showed, were now much more likely to seek treatment from gender dysphoria services than boys. NHS England was encouraged to investigate and publicise the degree to which possible causations such as internalised homophobia, exposure to social media, trauma, bullying, difficulties in navigating bodily changes at puberty, experiencing sexual objectification, familial and social situations and social contagion had played a part in this trend”.
[my emphasis]

EHIA: Children and Young People’s Gender Service: Service Specification for the National Referral Support Service

SDTGisAnEvilWolefGenius · 18/06/2026 17:00

TheKeatingFive · 18/06/2026 15:50

I come from a generation that fought for sports for girls. Fought for them to have their own opportunities, their own clubs, their own leagues, their own chance of success.

Yet here are people fighting to have that taken away from girls. I find this mindblowing (and deeply depressing).

These are people who think they are progressive, yet they are actively arguing for these positive developments to be taken away from girls.

Can someone please explain why they are doing this?

It baffles and appalls me in equal measure, @TheKeatingFive.

Frankly, anyone who supports male bodied individuals in women’s and girls’ single sex spaces, sports, prisons, changing rooms, awards, scholarships and loos is showing unforgivable disrespect for women and girls.

In the future, when this is a medical and social scandal, we will not forget the people who applauded males in women’s spaces and bleated ‘Be Kind’, while calling for TERFs to be raped, viciously assaulted and murdered.

RedToothBrush · 18/06/2026 17:10

TransParentlyAnnoyed · 18/06/2026 14:47

Except, none of that's true.

My son's my son, ignorance about trans people is no defence for disrespecting them, and honestly - go patronise someone else.

Conspiracy theory isn't real life. My son knew who he was at a very young age, told no one except a friend who kept it secret for ten years, and had no access to the Internet outside school until he was several years into secondary.

He had no access to trans people at all. He was raised by very gnc, feminist parents, wore his brother's clothes, was a champion ballerina and had no trans friends until college. He's attracted to men and isn't autistic.

His cousin, who he didn't know until after he came out, is also trans. He was raised in a totally different household I'm not going to detail - suffice to say, not trans-friendly.

I'm aware it suits many here to believe that trans people are made, not born. Accepting otherwise would cause you to question a life spent obsessing about, raging against and dehumanising them.

Your pity isn't necessary. Respect is what trans kids need - and safety.

Conspiracy theory isn't real life.

Indeed.

But think about this too.

When my brother came out as trans, he quoted that trans people accounted for 1 in 10000. So by this, I probably should never meet another trans person.

And yet. One of my friends whose brother was in the same class as him at school had also come out as trans and they knew another kid in the year below who also had come out as trans.

This made no sense. If it was like being gay, then it would be spontaneous throughout the population and wouldnt be in the same social circles.

And even if this was an issue with acceptance being possible in our social circle but not others, there were anomalies with this as a theory.

First it's the uniform politics. For something that's theoretically just a blip in nature what we see is a particular political clustering that's not natural.

And then we have uniform hobbies and interests with an exceptional high level of people who are trans having an anime or gaming hobby. This is unrepresentative of the population as a whole.

Then you have various issues like in girls the disappearing anorexic - there has been a decline in anorexia presentation just as presentation in being trans has taken off. Anorexia isn't purely an eating disorder - it's a type of dsyphoria and is associated with issues over control. The cohort is remarkably similar in social backgrounds too. Again this doesn't suggest this is a spontaneous fault with the body and brain not being aligned.

It looks like a response to social triggers and to social movements in multiple ways.

From doing family history it's become apparent to me that cousins often move in similar social circles even if they don't have overlap of those circles because their parents are of a certain background. So actually a cousin being trans isn't that odd IF it's driven by social influence or a genetic anomaly. But then that anomaly would ultimately be identifiable in time. But having a cousin being trans is odd IF it's a phenomena driven by spontaneous presentation.

With this in mind we have to start to ask questions about it. This isn't a conspiracy. This is natural curiosity about understanding what it is to be trans and perhaps why A is trans but B - Z are not trans.

The Tavistock identified MASSIVE over representation of autistic, gay kids, sexually abused kids and kids who have a family breakdown and parents who were pushing this on to their kids for their own beliefs and reasons. These kids across the board had complex home lives and various issues. These observations most definitely do matter and most definitely merit questions. A couple of these are particularly concerning observations.

These are not conspiracy questions. These are questions we would ask with another other number of difficulties at school age and the reason we ask these questions isn't to harm kids - it's precisely to do the opposite.

The fact you aren't remotely curious and seek to actively shut down these legitimate questions is the concerning part ESPECIALLY since you have a child who identifies as trans.

This isn't about 'fixing' a child.

This lack of curiosity and the desire to silence in the context of the Tavistock whistleblowing is alarming. What if a set of cousins identifying as trans have a common family member who has behaved inappropriately with them? We know family members cover up and hide for other family members. We know they go into denial. I not saying this is the case for your family, but your lack of curiosity and desire to silence the conversation, in this context does raise eyebrows. There are certainly families this dynamic may well be highly relevant to.

However you cut it, given the prevalence of trans people in the population as a whole a couple of cousins coming out at a similar time but without contact isn't necessarily the 'oh well it's not a social contagion' claim you think.

The cousins WERE exposed to the social media trends of the time either directly or indirectly. They WERE exposed to similar messaging within schools thanks to stonewall. Even if they weren't talking to each other.

Being trans is a product of its time and wouldn't have been possible in the past because the conditions were not right - again not spontaneous. And this is also why we have desperate attempts to claim historical figures as trans - because this isn't about the past it's about legitimising the present. Again another sign of a political and ideological movement driven by propaganda rather than a spontaneous phenomena.

And again this lack of curiosity would be something that is considered a threat if this were the reality.

I don't claim to have answers but the authoritarian nature of the debate on this subject and the need to shut down discussion isn't indicative of a naturally occurring phenomena. This is the action of a group who are behaving in a way that raises questions and is extremely hostile to those questions. A that's the red flag.

We should identify and examine all red flags even if these red flags turn out to be unfounded. A lack of curiosity around red flags, is a red flag in itself. And there are no exceptions to this.

SDTGisAnEvilWolefGenius · 18/06/2026 17:22

One of the things that annoys me about trans rights ideology, is its heavy reliance on deeply regressive stereotypes of masculinity and femininity.

I honestly thought we had finally achieved a society where girls could wear trousers, have short hair, love STEM subjects, ‘rough’ sports, and eschew pink, frills and make up, without anyone batting an eyelid. Now, that girl will be told she is clearly a boy in the wrong body, and, if unlucky, may be put onto a path of surgical mutilation, medical reliance and life long side effects and ill health. Her ability to enjoy sex will be taken from her, as will any chance of having children, if she wants to later on.

And the boy who likes dolls, make up, skirts, long hair and hates football and rolling round in the mud - he must be a girl in a boy’s body - give him puberty blockers that stop his development so that, even if he desists in the future, he will have a tiny, non functioning penis and no sexual feelings.

I saw a post - possibly on here or on FB - that said “A woman is someone with female biology and any character, not someone with any biology and a feminine character.”

RedToothBrush · 18/06/2026 17:23

And yes I have a degree in which I studied propaganda as part of the course. This is relevant seeing as we've been told that we are being dumped by propaganda and to educate ourselves. I would like to ask AGAIN to what level has TransParentlyAnnoyed been educated on propaganda and how to recognise it and why they think they are immune to it?

I am generally open to reviewing if I'm being duped myself - the problem being that we have the immovable issue that you can't change sex at the heart of this. In terms of truths you look for these type of immovable rocks to determine if what you are being told is nonsense or genuine. Orwell sums up the idea of the immoveable truth when he says:

'How many fingers am I holding up, Winston?'
'Four.''
And if the party says that it is not four but five—then how many?
''Four.'

Hannah Arendt teaches pretty much the same concept about being forced to repeat something you know deep down not to be true being representative of a loss of power and autonomy and being aware it's an untruth but repeating it anyway.

RedToothBrush · 18/06/2026 17:24

SDTGisAnEvilWolefGenius · 18/06/2026 17:22

One of the things that annoys me about trans rights ideology, is its heavy reliance on deeply regressive stereotypes of masculinity and femininity.

I honestly thought we had finally achieved a society where girls could wear trousers, have short hair, love STEM subjects, ‘rough’ sports, and eschew pink, frills and make up, without anyone batting an eyelid. Now, that girl will be told she is clearly a boy in the wrong body, and, if unlucky, may be put onto a path of surgical mutilation, medical reliance and life long side effects and ill health. Her ability to enjoy sex will be taken from her, as will any chance of having children, if she wants to later on.

And the boy who likes dolls, make up, skirts, long hair and hates football and rolling round in the mud - he must be a girl in a boy’s body - give him puberty blockers that stop his development so that, even if he desists in the future, he will have a tiny, non functioning penis and no sexual feelings.

I saw a post - possibly on here or on FB - that said “A woman is someone with female biology and any character, not someone with any biology and a feminine character.”

All authoritarian belief system are heavily reliant on sexist stereotypes to uphold them. It's a feature not a bug.

RapidOnsetGenderCritic · 18/06/2026 17:29

DumpyVictoria · 17/06/2026 21:29

To be clear: Convicted rapists should not be locked up with female prisoners, in my view.

What if they haven't been convicted? Given the very low conviction rates, there must be a lot of rapists who haven't been convicted. Is it fine for them to be given free access to women's spaces? We don't know who they are, so we can't keep just them out. Better to keep all men out and be sure.

loislovesstewie · 18/06/2026 17:41

SDTGisAnEvilWolefGenius · 18/06/2026 17:22

One of the things that annoys me about trans rights ideology, is its heavy reliance on deeply regressive stereotypes of masculinity and femininity.

I honestly thought we had finally achieved a society where girls could wear trousers, have short hair, love STEM subjects, ‘rough’ sports, and eschew pink, frills and make up, without anyone batting an eyelid. Now, that girl will be told she is clearly a boy in the wrong body, and, if unlucky, may be put onto a path of surgical mutilation, medical reliance and life long side effects and ill health. Her ability to enjoy sex will be taken from her, as will any chance of having children, if she wants to later on.

And the boy who likes dolls, make up, skirts, long hair and hates football and rolling round in the mud - he must be a girl in a boy’s body - give him puberty blockers that stop his development so that, even if he desists in the future, he will have a tiny, non functioning penis and no sexual feelings.

I saw a post - possibly on here or on FB - that said “A woman is someone with female biology and any character, not someone with any biology and a feminine character.”

Absolutely right. They seem to want to regress to a time where women wore pink etc. And I'm sick and tired of the Guardian which constantly wants to push the same old agenda.

IrnBruAndDietCoke · 18/06/2026 18:04

RedToothBrush · 18/06/2026 17:10

Conspiracy theory isn't real life.

Indeed.

But think about this too.

When my brother came out as trans, he quoted that trans people accounted for 1 in 10000. So by this, I probably should never meet another trans person.

And yet. One of my friends whose brother was in the same class as him at school had also come out as trans and they knew another kid in the year below who also had come out as trans.

This made no sense. If it was like being gay, then it would be spontaneous throughout the population and wouldnt be in the same social circles.

And even if this was an issue with acceptance being possible in our social circle but not others, there were anomalies with this as a theory.

First it's the uniform politics. For something that's theoretically just a blip in nature what we see is a particular political clustering that's not natural.

And then we have uniform hobbies and interests with an exceptional high level of people who are trans having an anime or gaming hobby. This is unrepresentative of the population as a whole.

Then you have various issues like in girls the disappearing anorexic - there has been a decline in anorexia presentation just as presentation in being trans has taken off. Anorexia isn't purely an eating disorder - it's a type of dsyphoria and is associated with issues over control. The cohort is remarkably similar in social backgrounds too. Again this doesn't suggest this is a spontaneous fault with the body and brain not being aligned.

It looks like a response to social triggers and to social movements in multiple ways.

From doing family history it's become apparent to me that cousins often move in similar social circles even if they don't have overlap of those circles because their parents are of a certain background. So actually a cousin being trans isn't that odd IF it's driven by social influence or a genetic anomaly. But then that anomaly would ultimately be identifiable in time. But having a cousin being trans is odd IF it's a phenomena driven by spontaneous presentation.

With this in mind we have to start to ask questions about it. This isn't a conspiracy. This is natural curiosity about understanding what it is to be trans and perhaps why A is trans but B - Z are not trans.

The Tavistock identified MASSIVE over representation of autistic, gay kids, sexually abused kids and kids who have a family breakdown and parents who were pushing this on to their kids for their own beliefs and reasons. These kids across the board had complex home lives and various issues. These observations most definitely do matter and most definitely merit questions. A couple of these are particularly concerning observations.

These are not conspiracy questions. These are questions we would ask with another other number of difficulties at school age and the reason we ask these questions isn't to harm kids - it's precisely to do the opposite.

The fact you aren't remotely curious and seek to actively shut down these legitimate questions is the concerning part ESPECIALLY since you have a child who identifies as trans.

This isn't about 'fixing' a child.

This lack of curiosity and the desire to silence in the context of the Tavistock whistleblowing is alarming. What if a set of cousins identifying as trans have a common family member who has behaved inappropriately with them? We know family members cover up and hide for other family members. We know they go into denial. I not saying this is the case for your family, but your lack of curiosity and desire to silence the conversation, in this context does raise eyebrows. There are certainly families this dynamic may well be highly relevant to.

However you cut it, given the prevalence of trans people in the population as a whole a couple of cousins coming out at a similar time but without contact isn't necessarily the 'oh well it's not a social contagion' claim you think.

The cousins WERE exposed to the social media trends of the time either directly or indirectly. They WERE exposed to similar messaging within schools thanks to stonewall. Even if they weren't talking to each other.

Being trans is a product of its time and wouldn't have been possible in the past because the conditions were not right - again not spontaneous. And this is also why we have desperate attempts to claim historical figures as trans - because this isn't about the past it's about legitimising the present. Again another sign of a political and ideological movement driven by propaganda rather than a spontaneous phenomena.

And again this lack of curiosity would be something that is considered a threat if this were the reality.

I don't claim to have answers but the authoritarian nature of the debate on this subject and the need to shut down discussion isn't indicative of a naturally occurring phenomena. This is the action of a group who are behaving in a way that raises questions and is extremely hostile to those questions. A that's the red flag.

We should identify and examine all red flags even if these red flags turn out to be unfounded. A lack of curiosity around red flags, is a red flag in itself. And there are no exceptions to this.

I’ve been bobbing around FWR for several years (my current username arose from a conversation in the Sandie Peggie threads) and this is post just sums it up perfectly. I currently teach abroad in a country where SM, YouTube etc are banned and there are precisely zero trans children. Funny, that. If it was so innate and ‘ladybrain’ was a thing it would be bursting out of every country at equal rates regardless of how oppressed people were. Just like homosexuality bursts out even where it is banned.

EvieBB · 18/06/2026 18:40

RedToothBrush · 18/06/2026 13:43

Re female brains.

No there's nothing that has actually shown the female brain in research.

What they have found is the 'extremist brain' and how deradicalisation can change this. So if you are immersed in an ideology it affects your cognitive abilities and it stops you from thinking. You don't question. When exposed to alternative ideas this changes the brain over time and you can retrain it to look like a 'normal' brain.

This is utterly fascinating in the context of affirmation only approaches, deliberately attempts to have no debate and trans echo chambers online.

I've posted about this at length on MN before so a quick search will bring up this research if you are genuinely interested in the concept of brains.

So, on that principle I presume you believe you can turn a straight person gay, or vice versa?

spannasaurus · 18/06/2026 18:43

EvieBB · 18/06/2026 18:40

So, on that principle I presume you believe you can turn a straight person gay, or vice versa?

What part of that post suggests that Red thinks that you can change a person's sexual orientation ?

FlirtsWithRhinos · 18/06/2026 18:44

EvieBB · 18/06/2026 18:40

So, on that principle I presume you believe you can turn a straight person gay, or vice versa?

Why the fuck would you think that?

She's talking about ideological radicalisation, not sexuality!

You do know human brains can learn new things, right?

What you said is like being told someone can be taught to draw or be good at maths and replying "on that principle I presume you believe you can turn a straight person gay, or vice versa?" 😂😂😂

Ereshkigalangcleg · 18/06/2026 18:56

RapidOnsetGenderCritic · 18/06/2026 17:29

What if they haven't been convicted? Given the very low conviction rates, there must be a lot of rapists who haven't been convicted. Is it fine for them to be given free access to women's spaces? We don't know who they are, so we can't keep just them out. Better to keep all men out and be sure.

And after release, given that many rapists are free after a few years. Are they allowed to use the ladies then? Don’t see any problem there at all! /s

EvieBB · 18/06/2026 19:35

LeungLover · 18/06/2026 14:49

Explain to us how anyone can be born trans then. How does that work?

No idea. Perhaps an embryonic development glitch in development in womb? Brain flooded with the "wrong" hormone causing a mind - body disconnect. Just a theory of course.

SDTGisAnEvilWolefGenius · 18/06/2026 19:35

Utter nonsense.

EvieBB · 18/06/2026 19:35

FlirtsWithRhinos · 18/06/2026 18:44

Why the fuck would you think that?

She's talking about ideological radicalisation, not sexuality!

You do know human brains can learn new things, right?

What you said is like being told someone can be taught to draw or be good at maths and replying "on that principle I presume you believe you can turn a straight person gay, or vice versa?" 😂😂😂

I thought that's what you were saying!! 😂

EvieBB · 18/06/2026 19:38

FlirtsWithRhinos · 18/06/2026 18:44

Why the fuck would you think that?

She's talking about ideological radicalisation, not sexuality!

You do know human brains can learn new things, right?

What you said is like being told someone can be taught to draw or be good at maths and replying "on that principle I presume you believe you can turn a straight person gay, or vice versa?" 😂😂😂

Catholic ideology says that being gay is not real - it is learned behaviour....just like you're saying with regards to being trans.